To be fair, a lot of this is because Gobert and Conley play a significant amount of minutes vs 2nd units.
What is Donovan’s excuse?
To be fair, a lot of this is because Gobert and Conley play a significant amount of minutes vs 2nd units.
I don't hate Conley. I just hate that we traded for him for too much value and using up a lot of cap to do it.
I have watched Memphis a lot, and the Mike we have seen has largely been consistent with his prior play. He had one really good playoff series, and then we traded for him (Mem traded him on a high). I like him as a player, he seems like a good locker room guy, and is composed on the court. However, I'd like to see more passion out of a player. IIRC, he has never had a technical in his career, which is kind of crazy. We need more leadership, passion and fire on the court, and he isn't the recipe for it.
I'm not a huge Crowder fan as I think he is too inconsistent, but we made the same mistake (on a smaller scale) that Ainge made with Boston. Trading away players with intensity and fire, taking away the teams heart and tenacity. Worse, we shrunk our backcourt in a league where size matters.
No argument from me on that end.What is Donovan’s excuse?
Yard guy?Lopo making fun of someone for being a "yard guy" for a player is rich when the dude constantly has Don's children in his mouth.
Shows you that you can find a stat to prove almost any point.Gobert has never had a negative on/off his entire career.
Donovan was -1.1 this year and -5.9 last year.
Gobert was +6.3 this year and +14.6 last year.
Conley was +4.4 this year and +11.9 last year.
The real problem is definitely Conley and Gobert though am I right?
Always an excuse for Donovan.Shows you that you can find a stat to prove almost any point.
Conley plays almost all his minutes with Rudy and vice versa.
Don plays the most minutes with our terrible depth. Why is our depth terrible? Mike Conley trade and his contract
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If Conley and Rudy play together vs 2nd units, Donovan is playing without a great teammate against 1st units.What is Donovan’s excuse?
If Conley and Rudy play together vs 2nd units, Donovan is playing without a great teammate against 1st units.
I'm not going to say anything insulting but cmon man.
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All great points man. Do you believe Gobert is worth his contract and is effective for playoff ball ?Gobert has never had a negative on/off his entire career.
Donovan was -1.1 this year and -5.9 last year.
Gobert was +6.3 this year and +14.6 last year.
Conley was +4.4 this year and +11.9 last year.
The real problem is definitely Conley and Gobert though am I right?
With this comment it feels like you are simultaneously calling Gobert and Conley great and Mitchell not great. (I know what you were getting at, but it did make me chuckle a little).If Conley and Rudy play together vs 2nd units, Donovan is playing without a great teammate against 1st units.
I'm not going to say anything insulting but cmon man.
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Let's explain this to you:Donovan plays with starters lmao he should not have a negative rating regardless.
Let's explain this to you:
Lopo's argument style is incredible lmao. He can't stand by his own positions because he has no actual positions, just constant goalpost moving and straw-manning.#1 - you think Rudy is our best player, much better than Don, and is who we should build around
#2 - Conley and Rudy play most of their minutes together and many of those minutes are against the opponent's 2nd unit
#3 - that means Don is not playing with Rudy or Conley and is playing many of his minutes without Rudy against the opponent's 1st unit (best players)
So Don is playing without your wonder boy Rudy against the other team's best players. And your argument is that Don gets to play with better teammates? WHAT?
If Rudy is as good as you say he is, then Don is at a severe disadvantage playing against our opponent's 1st team. Of course his +/- will be less. He's having to do more against tougher competition with lesser teammates.
sure, but at the same time we were only paying Donovan half as much money(44mil compared to 87mil we've paid Conley).We are 22-15 without Mitchell and guess what 20-28 without Gobert in that same time frame.
Clown.
sure, but at the same time we were only paying Donovan half as much money(44mil compared to 87mil we've paid Conley).
the years prior to 2019 Conley was paid 26, 28 and 30mil, which would've made him the highest paid player on the Jazz team. At the same time he's played 151 out of possible 246 games(61%). If you like paying a guy 556k for every single game he plays then yeah we should have definitely traded for him soonerThe biggest mistake of the Conley deal was not trading for him at the years prior trade deadline.