Aaron Gordon is entering the draft!

[Stoked]

In other words, he'd thrive in a San Antonio or Miami model. And, he'd stall or even backslide in a Corbin system. (Seriously, have you ever seen Corbin's system try to get a perimeter player a shot FROM WHERE HE LIKES TO SHOOT?)

So basically if he is drafted by a team that knows what they are doing he excels.

 

[green]

If he is 6 ft 9 or taller, I put him above Embiid. Easily.

 

[green]

In other words, he'd thrive in a San Antonio or Miami model. And, he'd stall or even backslide in a Corbin system. (Seriously, have you ever seen Corbin's system try to get a perimeter player a shot FROM WHERE HE LIKES TO SHOOT?)

Is there a player that thrives in a Corbin system? Heck, even Al went 17 and 9 under Corbin, with Corbin doing everything he could to have Al excel. Al is averaging 21 and 10 this year.

 

[Beantown]

I think Gordon's draft position will come down to where he measures out as.

If he is under 6 ft 8, he will drop, because he isn't a SF. He is a PF.

If he measures out at 6 ft 8 with room to grow, or taller, he will go #2 in the draft.

If he has the size, he will be special. Imagine Blake Griffin that plays defense like LeBron. The question will be, can he get to 6 ft 9. If he can watch out. If he can't, eh. He won't be big enough to do big things.

He will better utilized as a SF. His ball handling skills are his best weapon.......far superior to his post up skills.

 

[Batman]

In other words, he'd thrive in a San Antonio or Miami model. And, he'd stall or even backslide in a Corbin system. (Seriously, have you ever seen Corbin's system try to get a perimeter player a shot FROM WHERE HE LIKES TO SHOOT?)

Corbin may not be here doe...


George Karl might be a good option if we need to run.

 

[green]

He will better utilized as a SF. His ball handling skills are his best weapon.......far superior to his post up skills.

A SF that can't shoot is a crappy SF. Plain and simple. He would be much, much better as a 6 ft 9 PF than a 6 ft 8 SF.

 

[Beantown]

A SF that can't shoot is a crappy SF. Plain and simple. He would be much, much better as a 6 ft 9 PF than a 6 ft 8 SF.

You are not making any sense. If you are assuming that Gordon will never be able to shoot then why would the Jazz even draft him?

If you move him into a PF position you are going to negate his god given talents. Ball handling and defense. He is amazing at driving to the hoop and if he's playing defense against taller post up players he will get his *** handed to him.

His size at SF is a huge ADVANTAGE....having him play PF would be a huge DISADVANTAGE......get it?

But again if you believe he will never learn to shoot then you should just argue that the Jazz shouldn't draft him at all.

 

[Sexual Favors]

A SF that can't shoot is a crappy SF. Plain and simple. He would be much, much better as a 6 ft 9 PF than a 6 ft 8 SF.

He's not MKG dude. He's better off as an SF. His shot isn't that broken. He already shoots 35% from 3, and 51% on 2's, anyways. He's just not the shooter that Parker is.

To put it in perspective, here is the list of every drafted SF since 2008 and their 3pt %:


Paul George - 36%
Danilo Galinari - 37%
Nicolas Batum - 36%
Demarre Carroll - 37%
Wesley Johnson - 36%
Al Farouq Aminu - 27%
Gordon Hayward - 31%
Luke Babbit - 37%
Kawhi Leonard - 38%
Jimmy Butler - 28%
Chandler Parsons - 37%
Tobias Harris - 24%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - 11%
Harrison Barnes - 35%
Maurice Harkless - 37%
Jeff Taylor - 26%
Joe Crowder - 35%
Quincy Miller - 30%
Khris Middleton - 42%
Darius Miller - 32%
Robbie Hummel - 33%
Otto Porter - 31%
Shabazz Muhammad - 27%
Gianhis Antetokounmpo - 31%
Sergey Karasev - 22%
Tony Snell - 32%
Solomon Hill - 31%
Reggie Bullock - 32%

1 person above 40%!!!

Now tell me who out of that list is 6'9" and as athletic as Aaron Gordon?

 

[green]

You are not making any sense. If you are assuming that Gordon will never be able to shoot then why would the Jazz even draft him?

If you move him into a PF position you are going to negate his god given talents. Ball handling and defense. He is amazing at driving to the hoop and if he's playing defense against taller post up players he will get his *** handed to him.

His size at SF is a huge ADVANTAGE....having him play PF would be a huge DISADVANTAGE......get it?

But again if you believe he will never learn to shoot then you should just argue that the Jazz shouldn't draft him at all.

Do PF's need to be able to shoot outside of 10 ft? No, not really. Look at Blake Griffin's shot chart:

https://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201933

As a PF, you don't need to be able to hit a jump shot. Your job is to attack. Also, Blake Griffin doesn't do most of his damage in a post up style offense. He does his damage by facing his defender and attacking, much the same way Gordon does.

That is why having him play as a SF really drops his stock. His athleticism, while great is completely negated if he can't shoot. Drop off him 10 ft (ala what people would do to Brewer) and give him the jumpshot. He can't drive anymore. I don't care how athletic you are, if you aren't a threat to hit an outside shot, you aren't a threat to do much.

That is also why if he can play PF, his stock jumps through the roof. Now, you don't need to be able to hit an outside shot. Put him in the post, get the ball to him, let him face up with his defender and attack. Jump shot is irrelevant.

As a PF, I love Gordon and may even consider taking him over Wiggins #1. As a SF, I'm not in love with him, and I'd take Wiggins, Parker, and maybe Embiid and Exum over him.

 

[Sexual Favors]

People get caught up on the Blake Griffin comparison and then want to call him a tweener, or an undersized PF.

Dude is an oversized SF with elite athleticism.

 

[green]

He's not MKG dude. He's better off as an SF. His shot isn't that broken. He already shoots 35% from 3, and 51% on 2's, anyways. He's just not the shooter that Parker is.

To put it in perspective, here is the list of every drafted SF since 2008 and their 3pt %:


Paul George - 36%
Danilo Galinari - 37%
Nicolas Batum - 36%
Demarre Carroll - 37%
Wesley Johnson - 36%
Al Farouq Aminu - 27%
Gordon Hayward - 31%
Luke Babbit - 37%
Kawhi Leonard - 38%
Jimmy Butler - 28%
Chandler Parsons - 37%
Tobias Harris - 24%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - 11%
Harrison Barnes - 35%
Maurice Harkless - 37%
Jeff Taylor - 26%
Joe Crowder - 35%
Quincy Miller - 30%
Khris Middleton - 42%
Darius Miller - 32%
Robbie Hummel - 33%
Otto Porter - 31%
Shabazz Muhammad - 27%
Gianhis Antetokounmpo - 31%
Sergey Karasev - 22%
Tony Snell - 32%
Solomon Hill - 31%
Reggie Bullock - 32%

1 person above 40%!!!

Now tell me who out of that list is 6'9" and as athletic as Aaron Gordon?

His three point % isn't reliable as a Sf. He shoots 1 three a game. He doesn't take threes off the dribble, nor off screens. He takes threes standing around, getting his feet set, then launching. He won't be able to do that in the NBA.

I'd bet his three point shot drops into the low 20's his first couple of years in the NBA, or he just doesn't take them at all.

He isn't a SF. He is either a dominate PF or a small PF. His size will tell if he is Blake Griffin offensively or Millsap offensively.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Anyways, We have a GM who is all about analytics. Do you know what the first and biggest lesson analytics has taught us? That players who only excel at shooting the mid-range shot are ineffective. You want high percentage shots at the rim, which Gordon gets with ease, or shots from 3 pt range, which A. Gordon shot at a 36% clip. This year, the Jazz haven't shot enough at the rim, and that's because we struggle getting there because of pace of play and being stuck int he half court. Gordon will tip the balance towards the open court style of play, which will help our offense tremendously.

If you are worried about a tweener, you should worry about Parker.

 

[Hantlers]

He's not MKG dude. He's better off as an SF. His shot isn't that broken. He already shoots 35% from 3, and 51% on 2's, anyways. He's just not the shooter that Parker is.

To put it in perspective, here is the list of every drafted SF since 2008 and their 3pt %:


Paul George - 36%
Danilo Galinari - 37%
Nicolas Batum - 36%
Demarre Carroll - 37%
Wesley Johnson - 36%
Al Farouq Aminu - 27%
Gordon Hayward - 31%
Luke Babbit - 37%
Kawhi Leonard - 38%
Jimmy Butler - 28%
Chandler Parsons - 37%
Tobias Harris - 24%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - 11%
Harrison Barnes - 35%
Maurice Harkless - 37%
Jeff Taylor - 26%
Joe Crowder - 35%
Quincy Miller - 30%
Khris Middleton - 42%
Darius Miller - 32%
Robbie Hummel - 33%
Otto Porter - 31%
Shabazz Muhammad - 27%
Gianhis Antetokounmpo - 31%
Sergey Karasev - 22%
Tony Snell - 32%
Solomon Hill - 31%
Reggie Bullock - 32%

1 person above 40%!!!

Now tell me who out of that list is 6'9" and as athletic as Aaron Gordon?

Using percentages isn't exactly fair.

Gordon is shooting roughly 1 three-pointer a game, and only while he's open. Comparing that to a bunch of wing players who shoot more frequently is disingenuous.

Lets also not forget that you're comparing Gordon's college stats to these players current NBA stats. The NBA 3-point line is further away, and the defense is tougher. Essentially, you have a horrible comparison going on here.

 

[Sexual Favors]

His three point % isn't reliable as a Sf. He shoots 1 three a game. He doesn't take threes off the dribble, nor off screens. He takes threes standing around, getting his feet set, then launching. He won't be able to do that in the NBA.

I'd bet his three point shot drops into the low 20's his first couple of years in the NBA, or he just doesn't take them at all.

He isn't a SF. He is either a dominate PF or a small PF. His size will tell if he is Blake Griffin offensively or Millsap offensively.

I'll agree that his sample size is small. He played within his team's offense, and that just wasn't where they needed him.

Your argument against his SF potential doesn't make any sense. Griffin and Millsap wish they had the handles A. Gordon has. Millsap had to be a PF because he wasn't quick enough to guard the 3, and didn't have the handles, neither are problems for A. Gordon.

 

[Hantlers]

Anyways, We have a GM who is all about analytics. Do you know what the first and biggest lesson analytics has taught us? That players who only excel at shooting the mid-range shot are ineffective. You want high percentage shots at the rim, which Gordon gets with ease, or shots from 3 pt range, which A. Gordon shot at a 36% clip. This year, the Jazz haven't shot enough at the rim, and that's because we struggle getting there because of pace of play and being stuck int he half court. Gordon will tip the balance towards the open court style of play, which will help our offense tremendously.

If you are worried about a tweener, you should worry about Parker.

Aaron Gordon shot 3's at a 36% clip while shooting 1 3 pointer a game…and typically only when set and wide open. How often do you think that will happen in the NBA? Acting like Aaron Gordon is a good or reliable shooter from deep is just wrong.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Using percentages isn't exactly fair.

Gordon is shooting roughly 1 three-pointer a game, and only while he's open. Comparing that to a bunch of wing players who shoot more frequently is disingenuous.

Lets also not forget that you're comparing Gordon's college stats to these players current NBA stats. The NBA 3-point line is further away, and the defense is tougher. Essentially, you have a horrible comparison going on here.

All valid points, but the point I am making is that the SF position isn't exactly lights out from 3 pt range, and that length and athleticism are really what the SF position is about. Gordon is 18. Who's to say he doesn't learn to shoot? His shot isn't broken like MKG's.

 

[Beantown]

Do PF's need to be able to shoot outside of 10 ft? No, not really. Look at Blake Griffin's shot chart:

https://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201933

As a PF, you don't need to be able to hit a jump shot. Your job is to attack. Also, Blake Griffin doesn't do most of his damage in a post up style offense. He does his damage by facing his defender and attacking, much the same way Gordon does.

That is why having him play as a SF really drops his stock. His athleticism, while great is completely negated if he can't shoot. Drop off him 10 ft (ala what people would do to Brewer) and give him the jumpshot. He can't drive anymore. I don't care how athletic you are, if you aren't a threat to hit an outside shot, you aren't a threat to do much.

That is also why if he can play PF, his stock jumps through the roof. Now, you don't need to be able to hit an outside shot. Put him in the post, get the ball to him, let him face up with his defender and attack. Jump shot is irrelevant.

As a PF, I love Gordon and may even consider taking him over Wiggins #1. As a SF, I'm not in love with him, and I'd take Wiggins, Parker, and maybe Embiid and Exum over him.

He has elite size and length at SF, but he will be undersized and a liability as a PF.

But you are assuming that Gordon (an 18 year old kid) can't improve on his shooting which is crazy.

Also it comes down to defense. He is an amazing wing defender. But can you imagine him trying to guard Love, Aldrige, Gasol's, Bosh, Dirk, Jefferson, etc....in the paint? He would get destroyed.

 

[cowhide]

Jazz are going to get both Wiggins and Gordon and become 5 time NBA champions. Ok go back to the discussion..

 

[Hantlers]

All valid points, but the point I am making is that the SF position isn't exactly lights out from 3 pt range, and that length and athleticism are really what the SF position is about. Gordon is 18. Who's to say he doesn't learn to shoot? His shot isn't broken like MKG's.

The question isn't whether he will improve, but how much.

I'm sure he can improve, but none of us know whether he will or not.

I like him as a player, I just like Parker a hell of a lot more.

 

[Sexual Favors]

He has elite size and length at SF, but he will be undersized and a liability as a PF.

But you are assuming that Gordon (an 18 year old kid) can't improve on his shooting which is crazy.

Also it comes down to defense. He is an amazing wing defender. But can you imagine him trying to guard Love, Aldrige, Gasol's, Bosh, Dirk, Jefferson, etc....in the paint? He would get destroyed.

All of this.

A. Gordon's true value is at SF. Not in hoping he grows an inch, bulks up, and learns post moves.