I led the Gordon love outbreak dummy.
Aaron Gordon is entering the draft!
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I led the Gordon love outbreak dummy.
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In other news, Moultrie is out 5 games because of a drug violation.
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Getting High and being suspended > Tainting your game permanently by playing with Philly guards.
Go ahead and wait for your cookie.
Why so much love for him? Specific reasons, please, as I do not follow college ball and the draftee thread is a train wreck.
Gordon is good.
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He is an elite athlete with a high BBIQ. He has a relentless motor. He is an elite defender. He is the youngest player in the draft. He has serious holes in his game, but all signs indicate he is a hard-worker, so his upside is considerable.
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Also a very natural ball handler, could tighten his handle, but he has play-making balhandling ability (for self and others).
His FT shooting sucks, but nothing is physically broken or out of whack like a MKG.
His upside, like the absolute best he could potentially be, would be like Shawn Marion with Igoudala handles and 3pt ability, and Blake Griffin body.
AlaskanAssassin
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Have we not learned anything about the ramifications of having too many poor shooters on the floor at one time? That's 3 players on the floor that can't really score outside of the paint. That would seriously be the worst offensive starting 5 in the league. It wouldn't even be close.
Sexual Favors
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He is 18 until mid september. His athleticism and length rivals wiggins. He has better ball handling than any of the wings in this draft. He has a high BBIQ. He is a skilled passer. He can defend positions 1-4 extremely well. Unlike Parker, his tweener status isn't a concern because he has all the necessary skills to play NBA SF (defense, passing, incredible handles, elite athleticism), but struggles with shooting. Even though he struggles with shooting, he can still hit the occasional 3, and has the athleticism to get to the rim at will. Being 18, he could still grow. He understands team ball, but also has leadership qualities. Can play fast. Great in transition and open court. Style of play would compliment the games of Hayward, Burks, Neto, Evans, and any big who decides to run (which is Karl's message for success to Kanter and Favors--be first one down court). He's a very good rebounder. Him and Kanter on offensive glass would be unreal.
Outside of Wiggins, he is best fit for our team given our needs.
Serious tweener, pace of play, and defense questions with Parker.
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Disagree. We suck now because our pace of play is completely wrong for this team. We have horrible defense and pace at the 1 because trey so far is a half court PG, but Hayward, and Burks are athletic wings who are elite in open floor. With poor pace and defense, we never see open floor, so our offense struggles.
Hayward was 5th best in league from 3 post December last year. I don't think he is suddenly incapable of hitting the 3, but I think our whole style of play has made it a lot harder for him. Letting Kanter shoot the 3 (even if he only makes 30% of them), would do wonders to the team's offense as a whole.
Our defensive style, and pace of offense is why we can't score or beat anyone.
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Thanks. Repped.
To late..but thanks anyways.
If he stayed in school one more year, like Blake Griffin did, and focused on his shot and gaining strength, he could be a top 3 pick in next year's draft. At this point, he is a tweener though and could probably just play back-up minutes at 3 or 4. He would be hard-pressed to play the 3 with Kanter and Favors because he can't shoot the three and the middle is clogged already. He could probably play some good minutes at the four in quicker smaller line-ups.
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I think Gordon's draft position will come down to where he measures out as.
If he is under 6 ft 8, he will drop, because he isn't a SF. He is a PF.
If he measures out at 6 ft 8 with room to grow, or taller, he will go #2 in the draft.
If he has the size, he will be special. Imagine Blake Griffin that plays defense like LeBron. The question will be, can he get to 6 ft 9. If he can watch out. If he can't, eh. He won't be big enough to do big things.
If he is under 6 ft 8, he will drop, because he isn't a SF. He is a PF.
If he measures out at 6 ft 8 with room to grow, or taller, he will go #2 in the draft.
If he has the size, he will be special. Imagine Blake Griffin that plays defense like LeBron. The question will be, can he get to 6 ft 9. If he can watch out. If he can't, eh. He won't be big enough to do big things.
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Gordon shoots close to 36% from three, which isn't great, but it isn't terrible either. Like I have said before, people at Arizona's practices tell me he shoots free throws in the high 70's during practice, so there isn't anything broken with his shot, there is a metal issue that needs to be resolved. He rarely shoots midrange jumpers because in Arizona's offense he isn't called upon to do that. People just assume that his free throw troubles mean that he can't shoot at all which I don't believe is the case. He is coachable enough that if a coach ran specific plays with him getting to a consistent spot on the floor where he could either be screened for a shot, to shoot in rhythm, he would be able to become adept at it. He just likes going toward the basket at all times so that behavior would have to be learned. Fortunately he is only 18.
He can defend positions 1-4 and can even defend 5 in a pinch as he did in the last tournament game. He is a natural rebounder that comes up big when a rebound is absolutely needed which means that he plays smart positionally on the glass rather than just rely on his athleticism.
Sexual Favors
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How do you know he's a PF!?
His skillset:
great ball handling
great passing
great at getting to the rim
great rebounding on both ends
incredibly dunker
very good at guarding positions 1-4
can hit occasional 3
great in open court
can play at a fast tempo
skills he doesn't have:
post moves
consistent jump shot
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To me, he's a lot closer to an NBA SF. His jumper doesn't look completely broken either, he just needs more practice and coaching with it. I think the beauty with him is how he has the skills that the Paul Millsaps, Julius Randles, David Lees and Wests, etc. wish they had. Because he has the quickness, ball handling, court vision, face the basket game already, he could be developed as an elite sized SF.
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In other words, he'd thrive in a San Antonio or Miami model. And, he'd stall or even backslide in a Corbin system. (Seriously, have you ever seen Corbin's system try to get a perimeter player a shot FROM WHERE HE LIKES TO SHOOT?)
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and that's why Corbin has not been extended. I think Corbin's fate is sealed.
Dennis hasn't been pimping Corbin in his recent interviews like he was at the start of the season. Lindsey didn't hire Corbin. Corbin didn't establish a defensive identity or foundation, which was mandate #1 from Lindsey. Madate #2 was development, and that can be argued both ways. Players have gotten better, but players do that as they play more. Players like Gobert, Clark, Kanter, and Burks didn't play as many minutes as they should've if playing time was based on merit and development.
The Corbin era is coming to a close. None of our players are thriving under his system, and management knows that. Al Jefferson has been beasting in Charlotte, and that team has turned into a top 6 defensive team despite him. Millsap has been playing was an All Star this year under a new coach and system. Hayward's shooting % have slumped because of the very reason you pointed out.
No way Corbin is coming back.
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Because we don't know if he can shoot. If he is 6 ft 9 or taller, then it doesn't matter as much if can shoot. He will be great as a PF.
If he is 6 ft 8 or smaller, then whether or not he can shoot is HUGE. If he can't, or is average, then he has a ceiling on his game and it probably is maybe an All-Star (AK type ceiling).
If he is a PF and can't shoot, he is still a 10+ All Star.
His measurements will either shoot him up the draft (again, I think if he measures out at 6 ft 9 or taller OR if he measures out at 6 ft 8 but still growing he will go #2) or keep him in the 5-10 area.
Heck, if he measures out at 6 ft 9, I put him in the discussion for the #1 pick with Wiggins. Defensively, he is once a generation player. If he has the size to dominate offensively, wow.
Like I said, if he is 6 ft 9 or taller, think Blake Griffin on offense and LeBron on defense. Special, special player. If he doesn't have the size, think AK.