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Aaron Gordon was in SLC today....

Core4 said:
Didn't say that at all.
But to assume - or hope - Gordon goes from being a terrible shooter to an all-star is a HUGE presumption. If his shooting improves similarly to Favors', the Jazz have drafted a nice rotation player (who will take a couple of years to get there), but not an all-star. I'm not all that high on Gordon. If the pick at #5 is Aaron, I'd rather see the Jazz bring in Deng and trade down to pick up McDermott.McBuckets is above elite as a shooter. He won't start, but he'll be the perennial 6th man of the year.
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The Jazz want/need defense and passing.(Spurs)

That's why I will be shocked if they don't draft Gordon at 5.
 
Beantown said:
Gordon is the best passer/defender in the draft.

He's also has elite athleticism.

He's also only 18.
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You've gotta look at the whole picture, though. People preach defense. That's great and I get it. But you're going to have a hard time winning when your offense can be shut down by a junior varsity defense. Where's our offense going to come from? Please refrain from Burks hypotheticals.
 
The Spurs wouldn't be anything without their core. This narrative that the Spurs were a starless team needs to ****ing stop.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The Spurs wouldn't be anything without their core. This narrative that the Spurs were a starless team needs to ****ing stop.
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So you think having 3 HOF stars prevents them from being a starless team?

That's crazy talk.
 
infection said:
You've gotta look at the whole picture, though. People preach defense. That's great and I get it. But you're going to have a hard time winning when your offense can be shut down by a junior varsity defense. Where's our offense going to come from? Please refrain from Burks hypotheticals.
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Sure as hell won't come from Vonleh.

You can make this case for drafting Marcus Smart.
 
Core4 said:
Favors just needed to develop a little offense to be amazing
Kanter just needed to play a little defense to be amazing
Hayward just needed to be more consistent
etc, etc, etc.

When a player has been balling all their life and STILL does not have such an important component, it's not an easy task to add it.
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All is whole life, Gordon is the youngest guy in the draft. Every player has flaws and many players who have flaws fix or improve their flaws. THere isn't one player in this draft who doesn't have a flaw. So you would be ok drafting parker because of course he won't be a good defender ever since he has played his whole life playing basketball.
 
cowhide said:
All is whole life, Gordon is the youngest guy in the draft. Every player has flaws and many players who have flaws fix or improve their flaws. THere isn't one player in this draft who doesn't have a flaw. So you would be ok drafting parker because of course he won't be a good defender ever since he has played his whole life playing basketball.
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When we talk about everyone having flaws, we'd talk about a guy shooting FTs in the 60s as being a flaw. We're not talking about that. We're not even talking about a guy shooting in the 50s. If he's great at everything else and the FT shooting, or jumpshooting, is a weakness in general, then fine. But when it's an obviously glaring flaw it's almost irrelevant to discuss him improving it (how useless were all of those annual off-season "AK is going to work on his jump shot" or "AK is going to bulk up" discussions?). If he improved to shooting in the 60s, that'd be a huge improvement. Look, if he's got value then he's got value. We don't need to put ourselves under the illusion that his shooting will improve to even being average. Sure, it could happen, but let's select him for what he's got rather than rationalizing how it's theoretically possible that he could become a decent shooter.
 
Beantown said:
Sure as hell won't come from Vonleh.

You can make this case for drafting Marcus Smart.
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Not sure that I'm sold on Vonleh, but as far as offense goes, he'd be more reasonable to build around. I'm on the McDamnit bandwagon as I think he could legitimately be an 18 ppg guy. Would fit in better if we're doing this offense by committee thing and would certainly open up the floor for other guys.
 
cowhide said:
All is whole life, Gordon is the youngest guy in the draft. Every player has flaws and many players who have flaws fix or improve their flaws. THere isn't one player in this draft who doesn't have a flaw. So you would be ok drafting parker because of course he won't be a good defender ever since he has played his whole life playing basketball.
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Jabari is an elite scorer. He's viewed as a franchise player along with Wiggins (and a pre-injury Embiid). I have ZERO concerns about Wiggins and some mild concerns over Jabari and his apparent weight gain. But you never know, maybe Milwaukee or Philadelphia told Jabari they see him as a PF and he's trying to bulk up a bit. Marvin Williams has gone up/down depending on where the Jazz have told him he's going to play. That was his complaint last season...he said his preparation would have been different had he known the Jazz might play him as a stretch-4.

I'm just wondering why Gordon has never worked on his shooting flaws before. Kids in HS can hit 80% on their FT's.
 
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