Aaron Gordon..Why do you want him?
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That, my friend, is the right question.
addictionary
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Why? Because he is the closest thing to Blake Griffin and he is as white as the pick can get.
Sexual Favors
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A 3.
He projects so awesome at the 3. Not so much at the 4. Others feel different though. If we draft him as a 3, I'll be extremely happy. If we draft him as a 4, I will feel like this was a wasted season as it will stifle his own development, and the development of others as he fights for minutes with Favors, Kanter, Evans, and possibly Marvin, Murphy, and Thomas if we keep the,. Jazz already have 2 players who are better suited at SF playing PF (Marvin and Jeremy), so that is worrisome. If they feel he is a PF, then he probably won't be BPA when we draft.
da ThRONe
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Doesn't matter as long as he can defend both which is the 2nd biggest need for the Jazz only following a new competent coach. I would lean towards making him a 3 and Sexual Favors does an excellent job explaining why. It's better to be an slightly oversized 3 than a slightly undersized 4. Really the ultimate goal would be for him to assume a "LeBron James" type defensives role defending the other teams best player from the 1 to the 4 at crunch time.
Lol, not even close.
you gotta love his motor and willingness to play D.
if he is who i think he is, he can guard 2 to 4. but he will guard 3 mostly. he would be our lebron neutralizer(think big picture!) nba is getting smaller, and versatility is important. i want a guy who can be able to guard KD one night and guard james harden the next.
remember this kid is young. he is a baby. he will fill out and get stronger.
he hasn't even reached his athletic prime yet.
if he is who i think he is, he can guard 2 to 4. but he will guard 3 mostly. he would be our lebron neutralizer(think big picture!) nba is getting smaller, and versatility is important. i want a guy who can be able to guard KD one night and guard james harden the next.
remember this kid is young. he is a baby. he will fill out and get stronger.
he hasn't even reached his athletic prime yet.
Stifle Tower
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If he can be a 3, then it would be a good pick. But it also depends on whatever system and personnel the Jazz decide to utilize, and by extension, who will be the head coach. I love Gordon's defense. And his shooting %'s aren't that bad - other than FT's. Put him in the starting lineup and you better have some other scorers, though. You could probably go either way with Gordon. The starting five could be Kanter, Favors, Gordon, Hayward and Burke, or you could go smaller with Gordon at PF and Favors, Hayward, Burks and Burke. That leaves either Burks or Kanter coming off the bench as scorers. I'd probably lean towards Burks initially.
Kind of scared Utah won't draft him because of our offensive concerns, but if we just extend Kanter out to the 3pt line, it would be less of a floor spacing concern.
The Thriller
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I very much disagree with those who don't think if it matters whether Gordon can shoot and score.
True, defense wins championships but good offense puts you in a position to win that championship. We can't ignore half of the game.
This Jazz team didn't play any defense last year. In my opinion, that can be attributed to Corbin's bad scheme more than bad defensive players. Our offense? I'm not so sure it's the same way. We need a clear cut go to man. Hayward tries, and sucks at that. Trey has the mentality. But he can't be it.
We are in need of a Michael Jordan just as much as we are in need of a Scottie Pippen.
IMO, if we can find a go to offensive player, you take that over that nice glue guy who plays great defense.
True, defense wins championships but good offense puts you in a position to win that championship. We can't ignore half of the game.
This Jazz team didn't play any defense last year. In my opinion, that can be attributed to Corbin's bad scheme more than bad defensive players. Our offense? I'm not so sure it's the same way. We need a clear cut go to man. Hayward tries, and sucks at that. Trey has the mentality. But he can't be it.
We are in need of a Michael Jordan just as much as we are in need of a Scottie Pippen.
IMO, if we can find a go to offensive player, you take that over that nice glue guy who plays great defense.
framer
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I don't think a lot of people are saying to pick Gordon top 3. If you get a chance at Wiggins or Parker, you take it. I think you have to take Embiid if he is there as well. Other than that you have Smart and Exum who have just as big, if not bigger question marks. Gordon has an elite NBA skill in his defense at only 18. Do Smart and Exum have an elite NBA skill other than potential? Gordon is the safest pick outside of the top 3, and the Jazz just can't afford to screw up a top 5 pick.
spycam1
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I agree, but there isn't anyone like that outside the top 3 or 4.
Sexual Favors
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Kanter has that potential. Burks has that potential. It isn't like A. Gordon doesn't contribute either. The biggest problem with our offense this year was pace of play because of Trey (he admitted this today), and RJ being too old.
Next years lineup could be
Favors - can run
Kanter - can run
A. gordon - can run
Hayward - can run
Burke - has vowed to get faster so he can run
Bench:
Neto - can run
Burks - can run
Evabs - can run
Etc.
Vs a starting line of
Favors incentive will be to slow down for burke
Kanter - incentive will be to slow down for burke
Parker - can't run
Hayward - no one is running so he is frustrated and shooting poorly.
Burke - incentive will be to slow down for parker
We already have some excellent runners in this team, but we need more in the starting lineup, that's why my top 4 board is 1 wiggins, 2 Embiid, 3 A. Gordin (trade down and maximize value), 4 Exum
spycam1
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Hack just got a chubby.
Coach Ellis
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I want to see them run too, but I don't pass up Parker if he's there. I want the elite scorer.
Sexual Favors
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Fair enough. I can't really say I fault you. Running and defense are a preference of mine right now as I think it will help everyone as opposed to one.
I think the offense can be attributed to bad scheme as well. He used Hayward as point forward (point shooting guard?) much of the time when he had Burke who is a true point guard, and pretty good at it when given the chance. Defense is as much about effort as it is about scheme. A guy like Gordon will bring up the effort of everyone around him while guarding the best 2-4 on the other team. Now I agree that his offense is a huge question mark. Right now he is #4 on my board behind the big 3. Play him at SF and let Kanter spread the floor a little on offense.
I might be echoing some of the same sentiments, but I'll answer anyway.
He appears to have elite level athleticism. He appears to look like he can come in the NBA tomorrow and be at least a good defender, and perhaps once he gets the game down an all defensive team type guy. And as a 3 it looks like he can create tons of mismatches with his athleticism. Finally, it looks like he cares out there and wants to get better.
His shot worries the hell out of me though. His FT rate is just flat out unacceptable. Still I hope he can pull a Karl and work on that.
He's not my first pick past the top 3, but I wouldn't complain if the Jazz got him from 4-7. That being said I could be just drinking the pre draft hype koolaid now. I wouldn't be upset with any of Exum/Randle/Gordon/Smart at 4-7 (and I know all of them have massive detractors, so perhaps I'm just optimistic), but would prefer the Jazz to get into the top 3 and avoid that conversation. Right now Vonlah, Saric, or Anderson are the guys who I cringe about getting with the pain that was this season, but would at least try to be optimistic about them.
He appears to have elite level athleticism. He appears to look like he can come in the NBA tomorrow and be at least a good defender, and perhaps once he gets the game down an all defensive team type guy. And as a 3 it looks like he can create tons of mismatches with his athleticism. Finally, it looks like he cares out there and wants to get better.
His shot worries the hell out of me though. His FT rate is just flat out unacceptable. Still I hope he can pull a Karl and work on that.
He's not my first pick past the top 3, but I wouldn't complain if the Jazz got him from 4-7. That being said I could be just drinking the pre draft hype koolaid now. I wouldn't be upset with any of Exum/Randle/Gordon/Smart at 4-7 (and I know all of them have massive detractors, so perhaps I'm just optimistic), but would prefer the Jazz to get into the top 3 and avoid that conversation. Right now Vonlah, Saric, or Anderson are the guys who I cringe about getting with the pain that was this season, but would at least try to be optimistic about them.