Abortions.

[Harambe]

AT the risk of replying in a thread and making it all about me...

https://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/20...einstates-most-of-texas-abortion-restrictions

Texas appealed the case and won. Many of the restrictions on abortions went into effect.

This is just disheartening.

 

[Stoked]

As someone personally affected by Abortion I am against it. I understand it is an individuals decision and that is the arguement but what about the Man in the relationship that has no input what so ever.

Also as an uncle to a nephew and niece who were adopted, they were brought into this world in a difficult setting. One of them was given up and the other taken away (6 children, mother 22 years old, father abusive, and horrible living conditions).

Back to the Abortions stance, right or wrong, the decision shouldn't be solely up to the mother but I know that is difficult as she is carrying the child. I should have a 12 year old child right now but suprising found out one morning that wasn't the case. One part of me is happy that I don't ever have to deal with my ex ever again and the other side of me knows that I would have raised that child on my own and given him/her a great life.

Anyways - rant/off and everyone HAPPY FRIDAY!

I was very, very close to being aborted. That means none of my children would exist and my family wouldn't exist.

Jazzfanz would be without a mod!

 

[Stoked]

This is just disheartening.

As long as the clinic is adequate in training, cleanliness and equipment I see no need for them to have a doctor on staff with admitting priviliges at a local (within 30 miles) hospital. Unnecessary requirement.

 

[Harambe]

As long as the clinic is adequate in training, cleanliness and equipment I see no need for them to have a doctor on staff with admitting priviliges at a local (within 30 miles) hospital. Unnecessary requirement.

It is, but at the same time it isn't. The only reason I say it isn't is a financial concern.

If they do not have a credentialed admitting doctor at the external facility, there's really not a whole lot the ED(where the patient would need to be admitted through) can use as fact. So they have to do a whole lot of their own tests, which take more time. And then the resident/attending in the ED would need to make the call to send them up to a specialty unit to get the proper care they need. During this time, if it really is an emergency situation, the patient could die.

Why can't they just accept what the external hospital/care facility says without a doctor with attending privileges? There has to be a documented reason for admission from a credentialed physician with admitting rights in the medical record before the admission takes place. A physician may also have to have good reason to admit. Without any of that documented, insurance(obamacare, medicaid, or any other private insurance) can reject any and all charges sent to them.

 

[Stoked]

It is, but at the same time it isn't. The only reason I say it isn't is a financial concern.

If they do not have a credentialed admitting doctor at the external facility, there's really not a whole lot the ED(where the patient would need to be admitted through) can use as fact. So they have to do a whole lot of their own tests, which take more time. And then the resident/attending in the ED would need to make the call to send them up to a specialty unit to get the proper care they need. During this time, if it really is an emergency situation, the patient could die.

Why can't they just accept what the external hospital/care facility says without a doctor with attending privileges? There has to be a documented reason for admission from a credentialed physician with admitting rights in the medical record before the admission takes place. A physician may also have to have good reason to admit. Without any of that documented, insurance(obamacare, medicaid, or any other private insurance) can reject any and all charges sent to them.

Interesting. Keep in mind it defines local as within a certain amount of miles. So that clinic could have a doctor at a hospital just outside the range of that definition. I can see that being an issue in many scenarios. For example large metro areas like Houston or Los Angeles.

 

[♪alt13]

You've made your statement on the subject very clear, and I can appreciate that.

The first step to forcing others to believe the same as you is criticize others belief's. Remember that by going down that road, you reveal your inner nature. I will never be pregnant. No question about that, as I'm a guy.

Since it appears you didn't actually read my stance on it in full, I'll give it to you again:



Incase I'm wrong, and you just didn't understand what I was saying I'll re-illustrate it for you in a more simplistic manner:

Abortion before the 6.5 month mark? Sure. Go ahead, it's none of my business, and I really don't think at this point that child is a child anyway.
Abortion after 6.5 month mark? You've had time to think about it.. your decision is skewed by child birth anxiety. Have the child.
Kill babies after birth? Not a real person or not, someone's gone through the trouble of a birth for this child. Put it up for adoption if you don't want it.
Complications(I don't even really know what this would be, maybe severe birth defects) that would prohibit adoption? Fine. You've exhausted your options. Let that be on your head, not mine. Just find a doctor that will do it humanely.

As far as do I know what happens, yeah. It's a secondary part of the reason I don't like the idea of abortion after 6 months.
Here is a not mind safe, arguably not work safe gif of what happens in those situations. Linked to outside, so as not to put it here.

But before that, in the early stages, there are humane ways of abortion.
By far the options everyone should be shooting for

Oh... one more thing bro. Your and You're happen to be two different things.

You would not personally Kill infants and you have a policy objection to killing infants, but you have no moral objection to it. (correct me if I am misunderstanding you)

^If this is your belief I should criticize your beliefs. If I believed it was morally ok to do something as horrible as kill a baby(again we are talking after birth) that you knew was morally reprehensible you surely would challenge me.

 

[Harambe]

You would not personally Kill infants and you have a policy objection to killing infants, but you have no moral objection to it. (correct me if I am misunderstanding you)

^If this is your belief I should criticize your beliefs. If I believed it was morally ok to do something as horrible as kill a baby(again we are talking after birth) that you knew was morally reprehensible you surely would challenge me.

Your objection is based on something you, nor I, can prove: Whether or not an infant is a person.

I don't believe they are, you do. That's fine. You do your thing, I'll do mine.

In my case I've covered my butt and said there's no way I'm going to do it, and identified that it's my desire not to have others do it. But I'm still the bad guy because I won't take up arms to fight against it? Really?

 

[♪alt13]

Your objection is based on something you, nor I, can prove: Whether or not an infant is a person.

I don't believe they are, you do. That's fine. You do your thing, I'll do mine.

In my case I've covered my butt and said there's no way I'm going to do it, and identified that it's my desire not to have others do it. But I'm still the bad guy because I won't take up arms to fight against it? Really?

I don't think you're a bad guy. I honestly just think your position is flawed.

If I were in a coma that I would likely recover from, is it ok to kill me? Neither me or the infant is by your standard self aware but we both, in all likelihood, will be.

PS I am not talking about abortion here. Abortion introduces a third person(mother) that completely changes the parameters.

 

[Harambe]

I don't think you're a bad guy. I honestly just think your position is flawed.

If I were in a coma that I would likely recover from, is it ok to kill me? Neither me or the infant is by your standard self aware but we both, in all likelihood, will be.

PS I am not talking about abortion here. Abortion introduces a third person(mother) that completely changes the parameters.

Flawed because I don't fall in line with your opinion of something neither of us can prove?

Unconscious and not self aware are two dramatically different things. Too, is a person that's already placed their conscious mark on the world when compared to an infant, who has not.

That's not to say the infant doesn't have value.. but a pet has value too. And in many cases, just as much value as a grown person.

 

[VINYLONE]

I understand it is an individuals decision and that is the arguement but what about the Man in the relationship that has no input what so ever.

Wait what? Since when? Every man that has helped conceive a child has input on the feasibility of having the child. Input and assurance from the man could very well be the catalyst that settles and changes the mind of the pregnant woman which makes her decide to keep the child. You absolutely have input. Whether that input is heeded is another matter.

 

[Gameface]

Wait what? Since when? Every man that has helped conceive a child has input on the feasibility of having the child. Input and assurance from the man could very well be the catalyst that settles and changes the mind of the pregnant woman which makes her decide to keep the child. You absolutely have input. Whether that input is heeded is another matter.

Once pregnant a woman can shed herself of the associated obligations and responsibilities if she so chooses. A man cannot.

 

[LogGrad98]

Wait what? Since when? Every man that has helped conceive a child has input on the feasibility of having the child. Input and assurance from the man could very well be the catalyst that settles and changes the mind of the pregnant woman which makes her decide to keep the child. You absolutely have input. Whether that input is heeded is another matter.

Once pregnant a woman can shed herself of the associated obligations and responsibilities if she so chooses. A man cannot.

To elaborate. The woman has sole control over the birth or abortion of the child. The man has no right to demand an abortion, if he feels he cannot care for the child or does not want to provide support, and he cannot demand that the child is born, if he wishes to have custody or help raise the child. The man has no rights in this regard at all, and his involvement is solely at the discretion of the mother. He can be forced to provide child support for a child he did not want, and he can have his parental rights taken away with no recourse if she chooses to abort.