According to RAPM Millsap was the 7th best player in the league

[LogGrad98]

my turn...


I just want to say thank you falettinme be mice elf again


phew, I've been waiting a long time to be able to say that.

I can't believe there was actually one of these out there.

 

[LogGrad98]

Really?

Considering the fact that they are committing millions of dollars on what amounts basically to prognostication, I would say yes they are very good at it. Much better than us airmchair FO's that don't have to commit anything to criticize them for their every decision.

 

[Jazz4ever]

What's the standard for "reliability"? Do you have a non-subjective one?

+/- and adjusted +/- are highly variable, but they do not build in subjective biases. RAPM does, in it's expectations of year-to-year consistency.

I am a big fan of adjusted +/- over a two year period where the standard error is manageable. Millsap fares even better in a two year adjusted +/- period, he an absolute monster. That along with seeing his RAPM rating led me to make this thread. Obviously the majority of GMs and owners don't value these advanced statistics, or Millsap would have been signing a four year max deal. We'll know more next year. If Millsap can get the Hawks 50+ wins, and the Jazz are even worse than we expect, these ratings will start ringing very true. Here is Sap's two year rating from 2010-2012 from basketballvalue. The site was not updated for last season but would expect him to be in the top 10 if it were.

https://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.php?mode=summary&sortnumber=92&sortorder=DESC&year=2011-2012

 

[DutchJazzer]

Right, because our young guys definitely have shown, or spoken, no interest in winning games in a season that many say they should just take it easy on. Similarly, our young players have continuously shown zero effort on the defensive end, and mimic the same 'losing-basketball' characteristics surrounded in infamy among Jazz fans due to one Al Jefferson


/sarcasm

it might have rubbed off on them only way to know if they get garantueed minutes like al suckerson.

suckerson got garantueed minutes. so yeah those players might think wrok your butt off act like you care get a trillion dollar contract.
then be a loveable loser.

it worked for jeffersuck so why not for the youngsters

 

[cctrackstar]

Millsap might have been number whatever, but the guy he was guarding was automatically one number better. Not that he didn't try, but you can only do so much when the average PF is between two and four inches taller than he is.

 

[reignman40]

Millsap is da ****. We shoulda re-signed him.

No we should have re-signed Jefferson,Carrol and Foye. It was time for Sap to walk.

 

[GVC]

Considering the fact that they are committing millions of dollars on what amounts basically to prognostication, I would say yes they are very good at it.

In your experience, is success/performance a guarantee when someone has a stake in what they're doing? It seems to me plenty of competent people fail in endeavors in which they have a stake due to poor decision making.

Is it also your opinion that everyone who's hired to do a job is able to do it well? Is it not possible that some owners make a series of what turn out to be poor hires? How easy is it to clean house? What are the costs of doing so?

 

[honz]

Very done with Millsap. It'll be nicer to see him perform in a weaker conference-- to see if he struggles with as much inconsistency in a starting role as he did over here in the NW.

Here in the NW? You ain't one us us, Canuck.

 

[GVC]

Here in the NW? You ain't one us us, Canuck.

He lives in Alberta, which is basically an extension of Montana/Idaho.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Here in the NW? You ain't one us us, Canuck.

Rumor has it that we are the same person. So maybe I am..........

 

[Deleted member 848]

He lives in Alberta, which is basically an extension of Montana/Idaho.

God Bless 'Berta.

 

[salo]

I think Sap grew disenchanted after Big Al took precedence over him while at the same time, everyone was saying that Favors should be playing ahead of him, or at least was on the verge of taking away his place as a starter. So, he was feeling he was getting squeezed out, so to speak. I think he probably felt his time in Utah had passed, and the Jazz felt likewise.

Who really knows, though it's a reasonable view. I only know that i've never seen sap play with less heart than he did last year. Loved everything he did in Utah though. I hope he tears it up in Atlanta.