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Dudes a pill popper with no conscience. He belongs in jail and needs to pay the price for his criminal indiscretions. All the garbage liberal ******** in this thread is sickening.

If this is an attempt at humor, you failed miserably. If this is really how you feel, then I do, in fact, have a problem with you.
 
Other than VinylBoob, this is one of the better threads I've seen in some time. I hope your friend finds the help he needs.
 
My friend is entering rehab in Provo today. Hopefully this is enough of a jolt to his system that he gets off the drugs.
 
You didn't read the article did you?

CEDAR CITY -- A southern Utah high school assistant football coach and teacher was arrested Wednesday after school officials say he asked students to bring him prescription drugs from their homes.

I didn't, and the actual story doesn't change my opinion. Tons of general practice doctors are still pill peddlers, and I have more sympathy for people addicted to the drugs versus the amount of respect I have for doctors that prescribe pills for people that don't really need it.

Clearly, the reason this (and basically every other case of prescription med addiction) blew up into what it is, is both a lack of education the part of people intended to receive the pills, and a lack of responsibility for the people giving the pills. It starts with the people that already have that education... no excuse whatsoever to hand out pills like they won't have some sort of adverse affect.
 
Why should I care if people are overprescribed pills? I'd much rather see people get the pills if they need them if the cost is overprescription than seeing people not get them for the moral reason of not seeing people get addicted. I never understood why society's role should be to save people from their addictions. That should be the role of the individual and their family, but mostly the role of the individual.
 
Why should I care if people are overprescribed pills? I'd much rather see people get the pills if they need them if the cost is overprescription than seeing people not get them for the moral reason of not seeing people get addicted. I never understood why society's role should be to save people from their addictions. That should be the role of the individual and their family, but mostly the role of the individual.

While I agree with you I think many people were prescribed opiate pain pills for a legit injury, took them at the prescribed dose for an extended (but prescribed) period of time and became addicted without really knowing it or doing anything outside taking their prescribed medication. Opiates are a muther****er of an addiction. So now we have soccer moms and HS football players addicted to pain pills when those same people may have never touched any illegal drugs or alcohol in their life. I know a few people who fall into that category.

On the other hand, my mother suffers from several work-related injuries. She's been taking large doses of pain pills for more than 10 years. Is she addicted? Yes, most certainly. Is her life better being on a controlled, albeit very high, dosage of pain pills vs being in constant debilitating pain? Yeah, I think so.
 
Prescription pain pills eventually lead to the death of my brother two weeks ago. His addiction began with a neck injury he received while playing football for USU and then being prescribed pain pills to deal with the pain.

The advice I give you for your neighbor is a) understand that addiction is a disease (I personally believe addiction is a disease of both the body and soul) and it completely overwhelms someone once they are addicted (it's very, very hard to help them with words or advice - they will do anything to get their fix - their body is chemically imbalanced.) and b) let them know that even though their actions aren't condoned they're still a human being and no matter what, you will show you care for them and support them. Maybe council him to go to AA. When my brother went to AA he was sober for a year a 3 months before he had his relapse. AA guys were the best love and support my brother felt from anyone. If he didn't stop going, I know he would still be alive. AA rocks!

Be aware though, addicts will take advantage of you.

Do you not have NA meetings in Utahr?
 
Why should I care if people are overprescribed pills? I'd much rather see people get the pills if they need them if the cost is overprescription than seeing people not get them for the moral reason of not seeing people get addicted. I never understood why society's role should be to save people from their addictions. That should be the role of the individual and their family, but mostly the role of the individual.

While I don't like the general concept of BigGov micromanaging everything they can think of either, the reason you should care is because abuse by professionals and experts who enjoy government support for their malfeasance is just an evil we should not, as individuals or as society, put up with. Well can't do lynch mobs to string up professional exploiters but we can strip them of their undeserved respect and pressure our supposedly representative legislators to curtail the abuse that is being tolerated because the pharmaceutical lobby is supporting an evil situation just to earn a lot of money from us personally and from government social support system.
 
Then just do away with all lobbies. That would cure a lot of ills in congress.
 
While I don't like the general concept of BigGov micromanaging everything they can think of either, the reason you should care is because abuse by professionals and experts who enjoy government support for their malfeasance is just an evil we should not, as individuals or as society, put up with. Well can't do lynch mobs to string up professional exploiters but we can strip them of their undeserved respect and pressure our supposedly representative legislators to curtail the abuse that is being tolerated because the pharmaceutical lobby is supporting an evil situation just to earn a lot of money from us personally and from government social support system.
I'm fine for putting up with it as a society. In fact, if people are going to be addicted I'd rather them be addicted under the care of a doctor than having them resort to going to heroin dealers or going to the legal therefore ok addiction of booze (funny how we have massive problems with its addictiveness but god forbid anyone try to argue for more regulations on that). If someone wants to get hooked on pain pills I don't care, provided they are keeping up with their regular social responsibilities (ie not robbing people and the like).

What I can't stand is the policy that is there to protect the lowest common denominator at the expense of someone who needs something. If someone with massive back problems can have their quality of life improved by popping some oxycontin all day, I'm all for it. Even if it means that someone else may just be popping them because they're an addict. I'm not for tighter regulations that would prevent the back pain sufferer from getting it just to protect the person who may become addicted.

I also don't have a ton of sympathy for those who get addicted and claim they didn't know what they're taking and how addictive it was. That's hard to fathom in the information age. When I get prescribed anything I go home and look it up (and also ask my doctor all sorts of questions about when he is writing the script). It doesn't mean I won't take it, but I do know all of the potential side effects. The addiction potential of opiates has been known for hundreds of years. It's not exactly hidden.
 
While I agree with you I think many people were prescribed opiate pain pills for a legit injury, took them at the prescribed dose for an extended (but prescribed) period of time and became addicted without really knowing it or doing anything outside taking their prescribed medication. Opiates are a muther****er of an addiction. So now we have soccer moms and HS football players addicted to pain pills when those same people may have never touched any illegal drugs or alcohol in their life. I know a few people who fall into that category.

On the other hand, my mother suffers from several work-related injuries. She's been taking large doses of pain pills for more than 10 years. Is she addicted? Yes, most certainly. Is her life better being on a controlled, albeit very high, dosage of pain pills vs being in constant debilitating pain? Yeah, I think so.

Couldn't have said it better, although I appear to have less sympathy towards you to the ones that get addicted accidentally. The one thing I will concede is that doctors don't tend to spell out the addictiveness of the drugs more (my dentist never mentions it when he gives me vicodin after getting a root canal or whatever). In my case it wouldn't be a big deal since I obsessively research any drug/medication that I take, but to those who blindly trust their doctor I do see where that would be a problem.
 
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