Alec has taken over as our alpha dog.

[fishonjazz]

Burks has scored at least 23 points three games in a row.

How many times did he play 30 minutes? Zero.

Dala and all the others who said it doesnt matter if burks starts or not should read this.

Starting effects minutes plain and simple

Can you imagine trey, gordon, or derrick starting and scoring 20 + efficiently and playing less than 30 minutes?...... me either

 

[fishonjazz]

He got 29 tonight so it's a little silly to worry about it.

Wrong.

With the way he played, why should he have not received 35 minutes?
He was playing better than everyone else

 

[fishonjazz]

So I don't like his defense.

This is fair but he tries hard on defense unlike melo, harden, curry, etc.

A better defensive coach and defensive system would probably help.

The effort is there

 

[fishonjazz]

nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips just a bunch of jibberish and mother ****ers act like they forgot about trey

Fixed

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

This

People hate on burks for some reason that I just cant understand. He gets a bad rap for being a chucker ball hog and its totally not true. He is a better shooter than he gets credit for too.
His biggest problem is guarding big physical players that post him up, but even that deficiency can be fixed somewhat by putting him on shooters and smaller quicker players.

Also he is a pretty good rebounder, with a good attitude and tons of confidence
I really don't see whats not to like about him. He is quiet, never bitches (even though he has had lots of reason to) works hard in the off season improving his game, has never had an injury, and seems like a great guy to have on your team.

Umm, in the past it has been true. It was true the first month of the year this year. Why do you think he's been so inefficient in years past. I don't mind him taking difficult shots driving, because he is a good finisher, and gets him to the ft line.

If Alec had the usage rate of Hayward he puts up 22 ppg 6 reb and 4 asst. you heard it here and he will be an all star one day.

agree. Plus, if he works he has more room to get even better

alec burks is thuggin out there.

HARD HITTA MONEY GANG

Are you sure you have enough street cred to be saying this

So I want to know.....

... is Alec good enough to be a #1 option on a good team?
... If Hayward struggles like this with burk as the alpha, would he be any different with Jabbari or any other alpha?
... If the jazz got a franchise player in the draft, could burks play second? Better than Hayward?

Yes, but to do so, he needs to improve his midrange game and make it a weapon like Wade has. He can't just rely on his drive game alone.

So I don't like his defense. It's Melo'esque. aka non existent.
He takes difficult shots often. While they go in right now, I still wanna see consistency with the ability to overcome off nights before I jump on the Burks bandwagon. He hasn't shown that as of yet. Plus some efficiency would be nice. But see yourself.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html
https://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=202692&MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame
The differences in evaluation of bbalref and NBA.com I explain by both having a different interpretation of possessions(NBA.com seems to count a play that occurs after an offensive board as a seperate possession while bballref says: They kept the possession alive via O-Reb.
You can see a 31.1% usage rate in February. That's superstar touches. His TOs have gone up since getting more opportunities.
Look at the huge discrepancy in the off rtg column between wins and losses. 10.6
You know what that means? Bill Simmons would call him a "heat-check-guy". And that's why he's coming off the bench. Because he doesn't have consistency and with this Jazz lineup apparently an off night of him hurts his team.



Jazz are running proper plays for his tendencies.

Just want to point out that he's been the most efficient player for at least the last month.

Needs to work on his drive and dishing game if he ever wants to surpass being a scorer. Sometimes he isn't aware of how many people are collapsing on him and he tries a shot that is unnecessarily difficult when he could just kick it out.

I would agree with this. Like I said above, he has lots of room to grow, but I can now see him, possibly being an Allstar one day. I've seen growth in his game as this year has unfolded, and if he continues to work on his midrange game, and his ability to make his teamates better, he'll get there.

As this year has gone on, I've jumped on the Burks bandwagon. Props to Fishy for being on it from day one. Now that I've seen some improvement from him, I'm confident he can improve in playmaking and his midrange game.

 

[fishonjazz]

Slick Pimp is a terrible nickname tbh.

Wrong

Haters dont get to decide his nickname

 

[fishonjazz]

Needs to work on his drive and dishing game if he ever wants to surpass being a scorer. Sometimes he isn't aware of how many people are collapsing on him and he tries a shot that is unnecessarily difficult when he could just kick it out.

So sometimes he doesnt make the right pass?
Ok.
As if harden and wade never take tough shots and always rack up the assists.

So many times i see alec make the right pass only to watch his teammate miss the easy shot he created for them..... i think burks taking the tough shot is quite often the better option.
Plus those tough shots often lead to offensive rebound putbacks

 

[fishonjazz]

With all that said, I still don't mind him coming off the bench for now with the Jazz roster as it is. Just need to bring him in a bit earlier in the 1st and 3rd (6-7 minute mark), which would allow him to get a 2 minute rest later on and still play 32+ minutes per game.

This would be great but since it rarely happens, even when he is playing great, he should start so that he can actually get those 32 minutrs on a nightly basis

 

[fishonjazz]

Burks is playing the best ball on the team right now and it's not close. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or an indictment of the rest of the team.

Likely a little of both.

This

 

[fishonjazz]

Who hates on Burks? I can't think of a single poster on Jazzfanz who fits this description.

Note how ugli, dala, and cyrone (3 of my favorite posters btw) have been absent from burks praise while he has been playing great ball.

Hell cyrone is still on the criticize tip.

I have argued with many posters many times this year (you included) about how good burks could be

 

[BTP]

This is fair but he tries hard on defense unlike melo, harden, curry, etc.

A better defensive coach and defensive system would probably help.

The effort is there

Honestly I don't see the effort in most games. He takes plays off, his help is translucent and off the ball he loses often track of his man. He closes out okay and 1v1 defense I don't like his stance and decision making.

 

[fishonjazz]

Honestly I don't see the effort in most games. He takes plays off

I disagree with this but the rest of your post is ok.

I would ask you though if guys like curry, and harden give full effort on the defensive side each play? (Also i do see burks playing with effort each play on defense, but he does struggle with quite a few things defensively which is to be expected for a 22 year old getting his first taste of real playing time on a horrible defensive team with corbin for a coach)

 

[fishonjazz]

Needs to work on his drive and dishing game if he ever wants to surpass being a scorer. Sometimes he isn't aware of how many people are collapsing on him and he tries a shot that is unnecessarily difficult when he could just kick it out.

Hardens 3rd year as a 22 year old averaged 4.2 assists per game per 36 on a very good offensive team.

Burks averages 3.5 per 36 in his 3rd year as a 22 year old on a team that is not as good offensively. (Worse supporting cast)

Not too bad

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Honestly I don't see the effort in most games. He takes plays off, his help is translucent and off the ball he loses often track of his man. He closes out okay and 1v1 defense I don't like his stance and decision making.

His defense does need to improve, but what game are you watching? I do see commitment and effort on defense from Burks.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Hardens 3rd year as a 22 year old averaged 4.2 assists per game per 36 on a very good offensive team.

Burks averages 3.5 per 36 in his 3rd year as a 22 year old on a team that is not as good offensively. (Worse supporting cast)

Not too bad

Agree, but I see the other side of the arguement as well. Yes, his teamates screw things up, but he still needs to kick out and find his open teamates. As he does this he will elevate his play, and hopefully his teamates will get better making him even better. Hope this makes sense.

 

[fishonjazz]

david locke just tweeted that over the last 10 games Burks gets to the FT line on 18% of his possessions. As compared to 16% for Harden and 15% for Durant.

That's an elite level.

Stoked posted this in locke podcast thread but I thought it should be in here

 

[fishonjazz]

Agree, but I see the other side of the arguement as well. Yes, his teamates screw things up, but he still needs to kick out and find his open teamates. As he does this he will elevate his play, and hopefully his teamates will get better making him even better. Hope this makes sense.

In last nights game I was keeping track of how many times alec touched the ball on offense versus how many shots he had taken.
At one point in the first half he had 16 touches and 2 shots (both makes).

I don't really know if that's good or bad cause I have never tracked other players that way but it seems like he should shoot more often

 

[Stifle Tower]

With all that said, I still don't mind him coming off the bench for now with the Jazz roster as it is. Just need to bring him in a bit earlier in the 1st and 3rd (6-7 minute mark), which would allow him to get a 2 minute rest later on and still play 32+ minutes per game.

YES!
Agree 100%. What Utah needs is a great defender to start and play 6 mins. Put him on the better wing player defensively. Then bring in Burks at the 6 min mark with Godron moving to SF. That allows Burks to bridge the gap between the starting and 2nd units. A decent coach should have no difficulty in getting Alec 32+ mins. Burks could even win 6th man award next year...if Corbin is replaced by an NBA-level HC.

 

[BTP]

His defense does need to improve, but what game are you watching? I do see commitment and effort on defense from Burks.

I have already watched a full game solely focusing on Burks and writing it down play by play detailing his performance. Nowadays I see a 8 min summary usually and I see exactly what I've seen in that in depth when other teams score on him

I also don't say that others play better defense or stuff. But James Harden has a 60% True Shooting, scores 10 points more per 100 possessions, hits 3s, doesn't go where the defense wants him to go, instead goes where wants through the middle and makes the defense collapse. Burks assists are created through misdirection plays, by doing a seemingly bad move, then with the help of the screener capitalizing on the defense doing what's predicted and finding the hole. Plus Harden plays 10 more mins, so fatigue is a bigger factor for him.
I don't know I just wanna see Burks playing consistent and playing smart and playing efficient. If he can do that for 1 season. Then I'm talking about throwing money at him. Right now he's between 4 and 6 annually at most. fringe starter. And he's fringe starter because quality of NBA shooting guards is so incredibly low. Quality reserve is what he would be on deeper positions like PG, SF.

 

[Fishsticks]

I have already watched a full game solely focusing on Burks and writing it down play by play detailing his performance. Nowadays I see a 8 min summary usually and I see exactly what I've seen in that in depth when other teams score on him

I also don't say that others play better defense or stuff. But James Harden has a 60% True Shooting, scores 10 points more per 100 possessions, hits 3s, doesn't go where the defense wants him to go, instead goes where wants through the middle and makes the defense collapse. Burks assists are created through misdirection plays, by doing a seemingly bad move, then with the help of the screener capitalizing on the defense doing what's predicted and finding the hole. Plus Harden plays 10 more mins, so fatigue is a bigger factor for him.
I don't know I just wanna see Burks playing consistent and playing smart and playing efficient. If he can do that for 1 season. Then I'm talking about throwing money at him. Right now he's between 4 and 6 annually at most. fringe starter. And he's fringe starter because quality of NBA shooting guards is so incredibly low. Quality reserve is what he would be on deeper positions like PG, SF.

Out of your ****ing mind in your valuation.