Alex Jones and Social Media Censorship

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  1. Siro

    Siro Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Oh, I didn't even notice. Thought it was the A word.
     
  2. babe

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    I agree with the guy, pretty much down the line. Still love Jones and don't call him ignorant names. If I started making my respect for humans conditional on talking the way I do, or thinking the way I do, I'd pretty much have to just sit out in the fields with my cows.
     
  3. DutchJazzer

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    all lefties in hereimagine this, what if youtube banned young turks instead of alex jones. would you be sayin the same ****?

    youngturks is far more offensive. if i post a video of them here, i might get banned.

    or i might get not becuase the leftie mods see through their anti fascist glasses. and will ignore that the ladie chick. litterlay calles women who voted for trump vile things.but none of you care for that right.


    if alex jones get banned be fair and ban young turks
     
  4. babe

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    Well, Dutch. Military contracts and Homeland Security contracts are not exactly "grants"..... they actually have give the guvmint the info contained in our little accounts. Pretty sure the big "private" 'netgiants delivered the goods.
     
  5. Eenie-Meenie

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    I'm a far left lefty and yet there are things that I agree on with Alex Jones.
     
  6. babe

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    people have a fundamental, constitutional right of freedom of assembly.... in the US..... meaning we all get to pick our friends and shun others.

    Actually, Rebecca Mansuer on Brietbart has had some interesting and very well-informed guests on her program in the past few days, discussing the fork in the road we are at today.

    If the big platforms don't essentially treat folks as equals, the guvmint might in the courts determine that they are a public utility..... because as monopolies that can't economically be challenged by others attempting to offer the services, there will be people whose freedom of speech is effectively edged outta society. Either that, or the antitrust laws will mean our courts will bust them up.


    There is currently a big well-funded push by "concerned citizens" to privately sweep up everything that goes on in this whole sphere, to document discriminatory actions by these very very lucrative "Deep Pockets" targets. Well, at least that's what they claim..... lol.

    One guy whose been involved in studying Twitter was outraged that Sean Hannity had Twitter's Jack Dorsey on his program and was all nicey nice to him, because Dorsey has long hired a corporate floor's worth of engineers and charged them to begin demoting objectionable members and making it harder for people to find them, and still has all those engineers, still working on ways to purify Twitter. Mansuer's guest called Dorsey a liar and Hannity a lush.

    The guy said he has recently had a meeting with Jack Dorsey where he made the point that Twitter will have to decide whether to be open to public without prejudice, or become a public utility.

    I hate public utilities. I'm a co-op man/.
     
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  7. babe

    babe Well-Known Member

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    My old commie friend who detested the "State Capitalist" fake commie regimes like Russia, China, and Cuba, had a John Birch sister. And so do I. The JBS is a stuffy top-down command society in its own right. But when I ran into the Huks in the Philippines, they had all the JBS talking points about our capitalist elites.

    I got my info on the Rockefeller planeload of payola for Marcos from one of Marcos' top hands, though. The Huks knew all about it too....

    But seriously, CFR folks are not all Satan-worshipping pedophiles, I promise. Pretty much they are fairly innocent public-spirited successful folks who consider it an honor to be invited into the club.

    I don't think even Hillary or Bill has the time or energy to do all that wicked top-down control. So when they need help to fix an election, there's like maybe six guys in the DOJ or FBI they could actually trust to help them out.....and, oh, maybe one or two girlfriends or wives who can be used too.
     
  8. babe

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    no, say it isn't so. I like the youngTurks too.
     
  9. Jonah

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    This isn’t a left/right issue at least from my perspective. And it goes way beyond Alex Jones. As Apple, Google and Microsoft become ever more powerful we need to consider how this power will effect our lives, free speech included. In ten years all three will have 3 to 5 trillion dollar market valuations at a minimum. That’s heretofore unimaginable power and reach. (If you don’t already own stock in all three as well as a good AI ETF for the long haul you’re missing out on a fortune due to power of compounding returns). The largest corporations will dominate every sphere of public life. It’s crazy not to be concerned.
     
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  10. babe

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    How can you own stock in an international political monopoly like what China will be by 2049? Well, Xi thought he had it in the bag for sure until his gal Hilly lost her turn.

    Putin has been saying nukes are useless, the world will belong to the AI leader.

    Both have been working on weapons to knock down out sats.

    some say the big political correctness/social conformity emphasis we're getting in our politics comes from Chinese ownership/influence in our corporates including the big platforms and Hollywood.

    individuality and rude (translate that "free") speech are the hallmarks of barbarian inefficient governments...… in the Chinese perspective.

    But then, that is exactly why they have to bribe our politicians and steal our technology so much.….. The "Chinese Mind" is molded to stay in conventional patterns....
     
  11. fishonjazz

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    Calling babe and Dutch idiots isn’t defaming because it’s truth and we all (except them) know it’s true.
     
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  12. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    What a dickhead
     
  13. babe

    babe Well-Known Member

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    I realize there's no need to get too serious about your comments.

    I think Dutch might not really be staying in here much, probably doesn't care much about anything here but the Jazz.

    Its a good thing to let people talk whatever they think, and it's a good thing sometimes to think twice. . . .

    JFC doesn't need 'net bullies on staff to keep the streets of Jazzland pure as the driven snow.... well, we're not really significant in Utah community scales. But as long as wild-eyed crazies can shout in the streets..... well maybe they do need to get online and shout down the 'net lines..... we probably won't have a guvmint that can just load us up in cattle cars, street by street in the dead of night, and haul us out to some desert camp.

    Having people show up to harass you on your lawn is something Rand Paul might sympathize with. Or that congressmen Scalese from the baseball field. I know they're not children, but cry some for them too, OK.

    whaddya think.

    I think there's plans in some people heads to shoot up some schools with kids in them.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...ing-kids-to-carry-out-mass-shootings-n2508108
     
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  14. Jonah

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    I have a soft spot of admiration for free speech liberals and principled civil libertarians, the types that are likely to be ACLU supporters and volunteers. They are a welcome voice in these hyper-partisan times when personality and party so often trump principal. The ACLU has been around for almost one hundred years (it was founded in 1920). And it remains far and away the leading advocate and defender of the First Amendment and more general free speech issues.

    Following Alex Jones’ removal from Apple, Google, Facebook and Pinterest platforms, the ACLU reiterated it’s position that social media should not censor offensive speech. Vera Eidelman, a fellow with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, has subsequently expanded on this position:

    “The recent decision by Facebook and YouTube to take down Alex Jones’ content may have provided a quick solution to a challenging situation, but encouraging these companies to silence individuals in this way will backfire. Whether out of distaste for hateful speech or inaccurate content, they will get it wrong.”

    We can be sure in the next decade Apple, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft, will continue to get privacy and free speech issues wrong and that Third Way liberals and establishment conservatives will continue to make excuses for them and whine the timeless tagline that what’s good for big business is good for America.

    As the ACLU’s centennial approaches it’s a good time to reconsider outdated and partisan reasons for not supporting the civil liberties organization. More than ever the ACLU will be a vital voice against both governmental and corporate violations of privacy and free speech.
     
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  15. Gameface

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    Do our laws need to be updated to protect these companies when the people they host slander and libel? I am pretty sure the people who want to sue Alex Jones have pretty big dollar signs in their eyes thinking that if Facebook, Google and Apple allow slander after being given notice by them that it's happening they could get a settlement in the many many millions of dollars.

    Should these companies just pay these cases in their devotion to protecting speech?
     
  16. fishonjazz

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    If so then I hope someone slanders the **** outta me and I get to sue one them top dogs for millions. Be like winning the lottery.
     
  17. Jonah

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    Probably best to wait and see how case law develops before writing new protections that may not be necessary. Has Apple had to pay out on a single libel lawsuit? I have to say as an Apple stockholder I’m not too worried.
     
  18. babe

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    Actually, all joking aside, I would rather be shot in the head than go to court asking for a billion dollars in damages. Mostly I just can't stand being in court period. It's worse than being in a coffin, I'm sure. Courts are endless torture. Coffins are the end of torture.

    I had an argumentative childhood. If you couldn't stand up for yourself, or elbow your way to your plate at dinner, you had no chance. I don't think slander is the worst thing ever, not even close. Being a hyper-sensitive emotional weakling just bawling because somebody doesn't treat you right would have to be the worst thing you could ever experience in life.

    Having a bunch of fake sympathizers egging you on to complain about other people's stupidity would be the next worse thing, maybe.

    Corporations actually aren't immortal. When they lose their capital, somebody buys out their business, assets and clientele positions. The stockholders sometimes get nothing out of the sale, but the officers have most likely bulked up their private resources quite handsomely.

    So the people who make the big mistakes are not the ones to feel sorry for, but the people withn 401(k) accounts vested in the stupid corporation. Sorta makes it certain that corporations never learn, really.

    The Big Platforms folks have big-pants lawyers who write legalese into the agreements you have to make to get on their platform, generally running like this: We are a public host service. We are responsible for nothing but keeping the site open for users. We may throw out any user who is just plain obnoxious in our opinion, but we are not responsible for what anyone puts in here. All of our assets are buried under six feet of concrete at an undisclosed sewage treatment plant, guarded by ten thousand hungry lawyers. You have no chance. Give up. We own you. Don't pray to the Sky Daddy, he ain't there and he won't help you. If you want to use our service, you have to agree to let us sell your information commercially piece by piece, and your firstborn son whole hog. And eventually if you are extremely fortunate, we will process you into soylent green paste and you will be served to the sex trade minors we keep in our basement, and our robots will more than replace you in the engineered titanium/frictionless TFPE coated "hearts" of our Masters of the Universe AI machine owners. It's a brave new world, and you can thank @Siro for fixing everything.

    So anyway, you signed the agreement, and whatever, it's fun to have a page on fb and an Amazon paypal account.

    And if it ever seems, for a fleeting moment, all too hopeless, just remember.... Courts are really the Casinos of Record in our world, and anything can happen when anyone spins the wheel.

    There will always be challengers to the King of Hill.

    and I say, whether real or not, the Sky Daddy is our best hope.
     
  19. Jazzta

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    Sucker?
     
  20. DutchJazzer

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    also remmeber trump is not allowed to block people on twitter! cus free speech. but twitter can block people(ok they did not block alex jones)
    but blocked proud boys, gavin mcinnis, candice owens, milo, sargon of akkad and lots of other people.


    also if twitter and fb and youtube get to do as they please, congress should repeal the protection these platforms got for the sake of freedom of speech.
     

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