Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

[One Brow]

But Hell, who cares about the actual facts when you've got such an effective claim against somebody. Even someone of no relevance except historical or legendary values.

Why create a monument to someone of "no relevance except historical or legendary values", unless the point is to support those values?

The one reference to his "racist" ideas I've seen so far was a retort attempting to dismiss his soldiers' ideas about States' Rights being the reason for the war.....and reflected his own viewpoint about the legality of slavery. It was his business, some say. "What are we fighting for if it's not to keep slavery?"

That was realism as well as racism.

Many who fought as confederates did not focus on race or slavery, but States' Rights. As a matter of fact, the Civil War did transform the meaning of being a State in the US.

Pure historical revisionism. I have the declarations made by four of the Confederate states (I have looked for, and not found, declarations for the other seven). All four listed slavery, interference with slavery, and refusal to respect the Fugitive Slave Act as primary causes for the war.

It was in that later time that the NRA was established specifically intending to arm Blacks so they could defend their own lives, or attempt to do so in the face of a mob.

I was unaware that New York had such a problem with its former slaves. The NRA does not agree with you on its founding. Stop listing to the lies of David Barton.

Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.

But I think by far the most important factor for the rebirth of the KKK was Lord Cecil Rhodes and his ideas about preserving white power in a world largely non-white, through your beloved progressive socialism movement which has run for over a hundred years on the principle of elitist rule worldwide.

Which US states did Cecil Rhodes visit in this time frame? Are you even aware that "progressive socialism movement which has run for over a hundred years on the principle of elitist rule" is an extended oxymoron?

I think..... I hope….. you might already be aware of this item on NBF. I wasn't sure.... your reference to the part where he spoke in favor of black advancement could have been a snide sneering bit of jaundiced humor at my ignorance, as you could view it...…

It was snide and sneering, but not at you. Probably the greatest thing Forrest did was make that speech and kiss that woman, renouncing everything he had previously fought for. I was sneering at the people who memorialized Forrest's actions to defend slavery, overlooked his later repentance, and claim they are trying to preserve culture and history.

I'd advance this speech as a point in favor what Christianity can do for a cretin, a sinner..... as we humans generally are in reality,..... I couldn't have written a better speech myself.

It's a shame Christianity couldn't have done this for Forrest before became a slaver, murdered surrendered troops, etc. It's almost as if Christianity fits as well with evil people as with the well-intentioned.

 

[RandyForRubio]

People actually read babe and one brows long multi-quote posts?

I ain’t got enough life for that.

 

[One Brow]

People actually read babe and one brows long multi-quote posts?

I ain’t got enough life for that.

Probably just babe and One Brow. They are both show-offy jackasses.

 

[babe]

Probably just babe and One Brow. They are both show-offy jackasses.

conspicuous addicts to intellectualism are not show-offy jackasses. Show-offy jackasses is street lingo unfit for the online high-brow society of lazy basement dwellers with compellingly empty computer screens.

 

[babe]

Even I sometimes wish OB would stick to one point per post.....Too hard to adequately respond to ten.

 

[babe]

So anyway, in my own mind, I am attempting to convert OB to a higher moral principle, and I think he is susceptible.

Democratic socialism a la Ocasio-Cortez is historically impossible without first understanding the Christian culture that birthed the notion. In some respects, the attempt to overthrow societal religions embraced as "democratic socialism" is but an echo of Judaism's or Israelite nationalism as coalesced under King Solomon. The effort to destroy independent outposts of Israelite religion and culture, and bring it all under Jerusalem ended up destroying the nation of Israel...in biblical times.

Judean depotism caused the revolt of the ten tribes, leaving the nation weakened and ripe for plunder.

The attempt to root "God" out of the national conscience or moral fabric is flawed.... it is itself a kind of institutionalization of state-sanctioned beliefs. Outright denying God, and directly substituting authoritarianism in its place.

The Judeo-Christian tradition has always carried some kind of racism, as has every other nationalist or statist society. The Pharoahs made slaves of the Israelites, and were surely not the first to sanction slavery or racism. So we all have floated through history with this kind of thinking at play in our hearts and minds, black and white and every tribe alike.

OB's obsession with perfecting the human soul and conscience on rational principles is doomed, unless there is some kind of power of "salvation" as hopefully ascribed sometimes to Christianity. But I say we are what we are, and we need no authority of any kind intellectual or governmental putting a hand into our hearts to steer us right. It is an individual choice, an individual decision how we will choose to think, how we will treat others. It is the essence of liberty to hold that responsibility personally.

In large measure, the present-world virtue of Christian teachings is the rebellion Christ was to an established state power, an established church and an authoritarian State. Jesus taught us to be responsible for our own actions and decisions.

teaching blacks or anyone else "victimhood" is crippling to those who believe they are.

Having a government with no power to establish religion or any other state-sanctioned belief is necessary to having equal protection under the law, equality, or equity.

Democratic socialism is not that kind of government. It will always be or become statist, authoritarian, and repressive.

 

[Siro]

The 'Israelites' were never slaves in Egypt. It's just a fictional story from a fictional book.

 

[babe]

Why create a monument to someone of "no relevance except historical or legendary values", unless the point is to support those values?



That was realism as well as racism.



Pure historical revisionism. I have the declarations made by four of the Confederate states (I have looked for, and not found, declarations for the other seven). All four listed slavery, interference with slavery, and refusal to respect the Fugitive Slave Act as primary causes for the war.



I was unaware that New York had such a problem with its former slaves. The NRA does not agree with you on its founding. Stop listing to the lies of David Barton.

Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.



Which US states did Cecil Rhodes visit in this time frame? Are you even aware that "progressive socialism movement which has run for over a hundred years on the principle of elitist rule" is an extended oxymoron?



It was snide and sneering, but not at you. Probably the greatest thing Forrest did was make that speech and kiss that woman, renouncing everything he had previously fought for. I was sneering at the people who memorialized Forrest's actions to defend slavery, overlooked his later repentance, and claim they are trying to preserve culture and history.



It's a shame Christianity couldn't have done this for Forrest before became a slaver, murdered surrendered troops, etc. It's almost as if Christianity fits as well with evil people as with the well-intentioned.

My wife likes to drive around the country, and specifically looks for monuments of any kind of historical note.

We have monuments to all kinds of people.....

destroying monuments is like burning books, OB. It is authoritarian fascism like Hitler. I don't care whether the monuments are about good people or evil people. We need to remember things, learn from them.

A monument is not necessarily a state sanctioning anyone or anything. Maybe it could be, but history does not have to do that. At any rate, if we have no record of the past, and no deep-based understanding of what our past has been, we are doomed to our present evils, with no means of making any kind of improvement.

This is America. Everyone gets to make monuments.

 

[babe]

The 'Israelites' were never slaves in Egypt. It's just a fictional story from a fictional book.

anthropologists have plenty of evidence of the Israelites in Egypt, and of the migration to Israel, and the displacement of the peoples there. A lot of legend in the Bible. A culture with an establishment of a false racial memory would not be unique. I expect some intellectuals five thousand years down the road from here will be saying American slavery never happened, and that there was no "Constitution" that ever produced a prospering people or a stable government.

Just a fictional story. Sure.

 

[One Brow]

Even I sometimes wish OB would stick to one point per post.....Too hard to adequately respond to ten.

I will if you will. If I am responding to 10+ points, it's unsurprising I would respond with 10. Perhaps you think breaking up the quotes is confusing, but I find it to be even more confusing when I put all of those points into a single area, referring to ten different sections of the quoted text.

I'm not going to create 10 different posts for 10 different points. That seems rude.

 

[Siro]

anthropologists have plenty of evidence of the Israelites in Egypt, and of the migration to Israel, and the displacement of the peoples there. A lot of legend in the Bible. A culture with an establishment of a false racial memory would not be unique. I expect some intellectuals five thousand years down the road from here will be saying American slavery never happened, and that there was no "Constitution" that ever produced a prospering people or a stable government.

Just a fictional story. Sure.

Anthropologists, including Jewish ones, consider the story to be fictional. The Hebrews are native to Palestine. Shouldn't use fictional stories as historical examples.

 

[One Brow]

The effort to destroy independent outposts of Israelite religion and culture, and bring it all under Jerusalem ended up destroying the nation of Israel...in biblical times.

In the Bible, the nation of Israel reached its greatest power under the united monarchy. Prior to that, you saw a great deal of external and internal war.

OB's obsession with perfecting the human soul and conscience on rational principles is doomed, ...

I'm only trying to change culture, not souls nor conscience. Culture changes all the time.

teaching blacks or anyone else "victimhood" is crippling to those who believe they are.

Denying an existing 'victimhood' is even more crippling.

Democratic socialism is compatible with as state religion, and without a state religion.