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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

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Zombie said:
Out of curiosity, why do you think it's dangerous? I get that it's not super accurate, but then neither is the Grand Old Party, or even Republicanism these days.
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Welfare programs are not socialism. When you call yourself a Democratic Socialist you are advocating for State Socialism, bad idea. Democratic or not state socialism is inherently illiberal and doomed to failure(for the citizen).
 
Zombie said:
She's an exciting politician because she worked her *** off going door to door engaging constituents who had long been ignored with a platform of economic justice. But yeah, how dare this woman spend money on nice clothes. That's not a sexist line of attack at all.

There's also a really good chance she didn't buy the clothes and they were provided by the clothing companies for the photo shoot. That's a pretty common thing apparently.
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When you resort to my comment being sexist, it means you don't get it.
 
Archie Moses said:
*democratic
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Still No

To my knowledge she has yet to advocate for anything that would rise to the level of socialist reforms.

BTW I personally have nothing against socialism just state socialism. Our country has a long history of suppressing socialist institutions and propping up capitalist ones. People died for credit unions and they still are limited by law for the sole purpose of protecting the profits of banks.
 
♪alt13 said:
Welfare programs are not socialism. When you call yourself a Democratic Socialist you are advocating for State Socialism, bad idea. Democratic or not state socialism is inherently illiberal and doomed to failure(for the citizen).
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I'm not sure I agree that all those calling themselves Democratic Socialists are advocating for State Socialism. The DSA is certainly not an organization I would describe that way. Maybe it would be more accurate for them to call themselves the Social Democratic Party. But it just seems like a battle of semantics. Particularly in the US where anything to the left of Mussolini gets branded socialism by those on the right. At a certain point, you just gotta stop arguing semantics, and just say ok, sure you want to call universal Healthcare socialism, fine. We'll ll take that and run with it, and make it popular anyway.
 
Bernie calls himself of socialist to call attention to himself and differentiate his politics from Democrats and the neoliberals that have dominated that party for several generations. He’s really a Social Democrat or New Deal Democrat who wants to reform capitalism to save it from itself. Democratic Socialists are still further to the left and want to ultimately end capitalism in favor of a state run economy focused on worker rights and worker ownership of the means of production.
 


As I suspected, the clothes were given to her to wear for the purpose of the photo shoot. Good job spreading talking points from diaper wearing garbage people.
 
Zombie said:
I'm not sure I agree that all those calling themselves Democratic Socialists are advocating for State Socialism. The DSA is certainly not an organization I would describe that way. Maybe it would be more accurate for them to call themselves the Social Democratic Party. But it just seems like a battle of semantics. Particularly in the US where anything to the left of Mussolini gets branded socialism by those on the right. At a certain point, you just gotta stop arguing semantics, and just say ok, sure you want to call universal Healthcare socialism, fine. We'll ll take that and run with it, and make it popular anyway.
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Semantics are important. It's how you transform a party of tradesmen who oppose slavery largely on the grounds that it distorts the free market and the value of their labor into the party of the capitalist elite. You associate capitalism with their Ideals until they can no longer tell the difference. Likewise accepting the label of Democratic Socialist will only normalize some really bad ideas in our political discourse, namely state socialism.

Further Democrats do better when they avoid the term anyway. That's why Medicare for all polls better than national health care(pretty much the same damn thing). The GOP has successfully branded national healthcare as socialist and un American, something that they would be hard pressed to accomplish with medicare.
 
♪alt13 said:
Semantics are important. It's how you transform a party of tradesmen who oppose slavery largely on the grounds that it distorts the free market and the value of their labor into the party of the capitalist elite. You associate capitalism with their Ideals until they can no longer tell the difference. Likewise accepting the label of Democratic Socialist will only normalize some really bad ideas in our political discourse, namely state socialism.

Further Democrats do better when they avoid the term anyway. That's why Medicare for all polls better than national health care(pretty much the same damn thing). The GOP has successfully branded national healthcare as socialist and un American, something that they would be hard pressed to accomplish with medicare.
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I would agree except for that American politics is in absolutely no danger of trending toward state socialism and the GOP effort to demonize universal Healthcare as socialism has fallen flat and is more popular amongst the electorate than ever before.
 
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