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Team JoelHodgeJr:
PG - Oscar Robertson / Kevin Johnson / Muggsy Bogues
SG - Michael Jordan / Alan Houston
SF - Andrei Kirilenko / Glen Rice / Bruce Bowen
PF - Blake Griffin / Pau Gasol /
C - Yao Ming / Marcus Camby
Team Ellis269:
PG - Magic Johnson / Damian Lilliard
SG - Pete Maravich / Earl Monroe / Sidney Moncrief
SF - Dominique Wilkins / Kawhi Leonard / Dave DeBusschere
PF - Moses Malone / George Mikan
C - Patrick Ewing / Nate Thurmond
Joel's case:
N/A
Ellis269's case:
Starting Lineup
PG: Earvin "Magic" Johnson
SG: "Pistol Pete" Maravich
SF: Dominique "Human Highlight Film" Wilkins
PF: Moses "Chairman of the Boards" Malone
C: Patrick Ewing
6th Man
SF/SG: Kawhi Leonard
Bench
PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Earl "The Pearl" Monroe
SG: Sydney "Sid the Squid" Moncrief
SF: Dave "Big D" DeBusschere
PF: George "Mr. Basketball" Mikan
C/PF: Nate "the Great" Thurmond
My biggest concern with Joel's lineup was always going to be that backcourt duo of Michael Jordan and Oscar Robertson. I have to admit that I like them as a pair. . . BUT. . . I can still beat them. Here's how. . .
When looking at the Jordan/Robertson duo, you wouldn't think that Dominique Wilkins and Pistol Pete Maravich would put up much of a fight, but you'd be dead wrong. When you break down their numbers in head to head matchups, Jordan/Robertson and Wilkins/Maravich were almost dead even in scoring. Head to head, Michael Jordan scored 31.6 points per game, while Dominique Wilkins scored 29.8 points per game. A difference of only one basket. I was expecting a bigger disparity than that. Nope. And in their head to head matchups, Pistol Pete Maravich outscored Oscar Robertson 19.3 points per game to 16.3 points per game. Combine all of their head to head matchups, the Jordan/Robertson combo scored 28.1 points per game compared to 27.5 points per game by the Wilkins/Maravich combo. A difference of 0.6 points per game. That's all. . .
So, if Dominique Wilkins and Pete Maravich essentially negate the contributions of Jordan and Robertson, what's left? Me personally, I take Magic Johnson, Moses Malone and Patrick Ewing over AK47/Glen Rice, Blake Griffin and Yao Ming any day of the week. . .
Yao Ming's best year numbers (06/07) - 25 points per game, 2.0 blocks per game, 2.0 assists per game and .04 steals per game.
Patrick Ewing's best year numbers (89/90) - 28.6 points per game, 4.0 blocks per game, 2.2 assists per game and 1.0 steals per game.
Patrick Ewing's career averages are simply better across the board. . . 21.0 vs 19.0 points per game, 2.4 vs. 1.9 blocks per game, 1.9 vs. 1.6 assists per game and 9.8 vs. 9.2 rebounds per game.
Magic averaged 19.5 points per game and 11.2 assists per game over his career compared to Glen Rice (18.3 ppg and 2.1 apg) and/or Andrei Kirilenko (11.9 ppg and 2.1 apg.) Even as a pass first point guard, Magic Johnson put up better numbers than both of those guys. . . who should have had better scoring numbers than he did based solely on positional value.
And then there's the most interesting matchup between Moses Malone and Blake Griffin. . . Moses Malone averaged 20.3 points per game over his illustriuous hall of fame career, with a high of 31.1 points per game in 81/82, while Blake Griffin has averaged 21.4 points per game with a high of 24.1 this past season. Moses Malone leads him in total rebounds 12.3 per game vs. 10.1 per game, but really dominates him on the offensive glass at a clip of 5.1 per game vs. 2.8 per game.
As far as the bench goes, I think that Nate Thurmond, Kawhi Leonard, Steve DeBusschere, Earl Monroe, Sydney Moncreif, Damian Lillard and George Mikan are a much better and more versatile group than Kevin Johnson, Muggsy Bogues, Alan Rice, Bruce Bowen, Pau Gasol and Marcus Camby.
Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan are a pretty nice pairing in the backcourt, but I think that I just have the stronger team overall - in terms of starters and depth players.
Again, I think that I put together a really incredible team that can pass, shoot, slash, dunk, rebound, play defense and run in transition. I think that my team would have had great chemistry and been a lot of fun to watch play together. They are a collection of some of the most creative players in league history with Magic Johnson, Pistol Pete, Earl Monroe and Dominique Wilkins. . . just imagine them all together. . .
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PG - Oscar Robertson / Kevin Johnson / Muggsy Bogues
SG - Michael Jordan / Alan Houston
SF - Andrei Kirilenko / Glen Rice / Bruce Bowen
PF - Blake Griffin / Pau Gasol /
C - Yao Ming / Marcus Camby
Team Ellis269:
PG - Magic Johnson / Damian Lilliard
SG - Pete Maravich / Earl Monroe / Sidney Moncrief
SF - Dominique Wilkins / Kawhi Leonard / Dave DeBusschere
PF - Moses Malone / George Mikan
C - Patrick Ewing / Nate Thurmond
Joel's case:
N/A
Ellis269's case:
Starting Lineup
PG: Earvin "Magic" Johnson
SG: "Pistol Pete" Maravich
SF: Dominique "Human Highlight Film" Wilkins
PF: Moses "Chairman of the Boards" Malone
C: Patrick Ewing
6th Man
SF/SG: Kawhi Leonard
Bench
PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Earl "The Pearl" Monroe
SG: Sydney "Sid the Squid" Moncrief
SF: Dave "Big D" DeBusschere
PF: George "Mr. Basketball" Mikan
C/PF: Nate "the Great" Thurmond
My biggest concern with Joel's lineup was always going to be that backcourt duo of Michael Jordan and Oscar Robertson. I have to admit that I like them as a pair. . . BUT. . . I can still beat them. Here's how. . .
When looking at the Jordan/Robertson duo, you wouldn't think that Dominique Wilkins and Pistol Pete Maravich would put up much of a fight, but you'd be dead wrong. When you break down their numbers in head to head matchups, Jordan/Robertson and Wilkins/Maravich were almost dead even in scoring. Head to head, Michael Jordan scored 31.6 points per game, while Dominique Wilkins scored 29.8 points per game. A difference of only one basket. I was expecting a bigger disparity than that. Nope. And in their head to head matchups, Pistol Pete Maravich outscored Oscar Robertson 19.3 points per game to 16.3 points per game. Combine all of their head to head matchups, the Jordan/Robertson combo scored 28.1 points per game compared to 27.5 points per game by the Wilkins/Maravich combo. A difference of 0.6 points per game. That's all. . .
So, if Dominique Wilkins and Pete Maravich essentially negate the contributions of Jordan and Robertson, what's left? Me personally, I take Magic Johnson, Moses Malone and Patrick Ewing over AK47/Glen Rice, Blake Griffin and Yao Ming any day of the week. . .
Yao Ming's best year numbers (06/07) - 25 points per game, 2.0 blocks per game, 2.0 assists per game and .04 steals per game.
Patrick Ewing's best year numbers (89/90) - 28.6 points per game, 4.0 blocks per game, 2.2 assists per game and 1.0 steals per game.
Patrick Ewing's career averages are simply better across the board. . . 21.0 vs 19.0 points per game, 2.4 vs. 1.9 blocks per game, 1.9 vs. 1.6 assists per game and 9.8 vs. 9.2 rebounds per game.
Magic averaged 19.5 points per game and 11.2 assists per game over his career compared to Glen Rice (18.3 ppg and 2.1 apg) and/or Andrei Kirilenko (11.9 ppg and 2.1 apg.) Even as a pass first point guard, Magic Johnson put up better numbers than both of those guys. . . who should have had better scoring numbers than he did based solely on positional value.
And then there's the most interesting matchup between Moses Malone and Blake Griffin. . . Moses Malone averaged 20.3 points per game over his illustriuous hall of fame career, with a high of 31.1 points per game in 81/82, while Blake Griffin has averaged 21.4 points per game with a high of 24.1 this past season. Moses Malone leads him in total rebounds 12.3 per game vs. 10.1 per game, but really dominates him on the offensive glass at a clip of 5.1 per game vs. 2.8 per game.
As far as the bench goes, I think that Nate Thurmond, Kawhi Leonard, Steve DeBusschere, Earl Monroe, Sydney Moncreif, Damian Lillard and George Mikan are a much better and more versatile group than Kevin Johnson, Muggsy Bogues, Alan Rice, Bruce Bowen, Pau Gasol and Marcus Camby.
Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan are a pretty nice pairing in the backcourt, but I think that I just have the stronger team overall - in terms of starters and depth players.
Again, I think that I put together a really incredible team that can pass, shoot, slash, dunk, rebound, play defense and run in transition. I think that my team would have had great chemistry and been a lot of fun to watch play together. They are a collection of some of the most creative players in league history with Magic Johnson, Pistol Pete, Earl Monroe and Dominique Wilkins. . . just imagine them all together. . .
[video=youtube_share;FNVYYUywsHE]https://youtu.be/FNVYYUywsHE