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All-Time NBA Draft Final Four: Ellis269 vs. One Love

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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Tim Duncan has to be one of the most underrated player to have ever played the game.


He didn't have Pippen (Jordan), he didn't have Wade (LeBron), he didn't have Kobe (Shaq), etc, all of whom are future HOFers. He only had Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili who are good players but I don't think you can say they are one of the GREAT players of all time.


To have taken a team with Parker and Ginobili to win 4 Championships (not counting the 1 he won with Robinson) is a GREAT achievement and is a testament to how valuable he is as a team player.
 
Hack said:
Seriously, what a joke this comment is.

Look at this matchup, and tell me how you voted against my team with that kind of thinking. AND, AND.... you had the nerve to use it against the greatest player of all time, and not against the team I was matched up against.

How about some intellectual honesty One Love??


Team White Chocolate:

PG - John Stockton / Bob Cousy
SG - Pete Maravich / Ron Artest
SF - Julius Erving / Elgin Baylor / Antoine Walker
PF - Willis Reed / Wes Unseld / Rashard Lewis
C - Bill Walton / Amar'e Stoudemire

Team Hack:

PG - Stephen Curry / Derrick Rose
SG - Ray Allen / Penny Hardaway
SF - Klay Thompson / Latrell Sprewell / Andrew Wiggins*
PF - Anthony Davis / Derrick Favors / Robert Horry
C - Shaquille O'Neal / Dikembe Mutombo
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You can't compare that match to this match. Stockton is a GREAT three point shooter, shooting 38.4% over his career. On the other hand Gary Payton shoots 31% over the course of his career.


That is a BIG difference between White Choc's team and Ellis' team.
 
Hack said:
Seriously, what a joke this comment is.

Look at this matchup, and tell me how you voted against my team with that kind of thinking. AND, AND.... you had the nerve to use it against the greatest player of all time, and not against the team I was matched up against.

How about some intellectual honesty One Love??


Team White Chocolate:

PG - John Stockton / Bob Cousy
SG - Pete Maravich / Ron Artest
SF - Julius Erving / Elgin Baylor / Antoine Walker
PF - Willis Reed / Wes Unseld / Rashard Lewis
C - Bill Walton / Amar'e Stoudemire

Team Hack:

PG - Stephen Curry / Derrick Rose
SG - Ray Allen / Penny Hardaway
SF - Klay Thompson / Latrell Sprewell / Andrew Wiggins*
PF - Anthony Davis / Derrick Favors / Robert Horry
C - Shaquille O'Neal / Dikembe Mutombo

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Dude you started Klay Thompson and drafted Wiggins, Favors, Horry, etc. It's over and done with no need to get bitter.
 
ONE LOVE said:
You can't compare that match to this match. Stockton is a GREAT three point shooter, shooting 38.4% over his career. On the other hand Gary Payton shoots 31% over the course of his career.


That is a BIG difference between White Choc's team and Ellis' team.
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Maravich is a deadly shooter as well.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Tim Duncan has to be one of the most underrated player to have ever played the game.


He didn't have Pippen (Jordan), he didn't have Wade (LeBron), he didn't have Kobe (Shaq), etc, all of whom are future HOFers. He only had Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili who are good players but I don't think you can say they are one of the GREAT players of all time.


To have taken a team with Parker and Ginobili to win 4 Championships (not counting the 1 he won with Robinson) is a GREAT achievement and is a testament to how valuable he is as a team player.
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Cmon really?

First of all. Tim did get a ring with a guy named David Robinson.

2nd, Ginobli and Parker will probably be hall of famers, and are nothing to sneeze at. They are great players. He doesn't have the same career without those guys.

3rd, Duncan played for probably the best coach of all time. Greg Popavich.
 
Hack said:
Cmon really?

First of all. Tim did get a ring with a guy named David Robinson.

2nd, Ginobli and Parker will probably be hall of famers, and are nothing to sneeze at. They are great players. He doesn't have the same career without those guys.

3rd, Duncan played for probably the best coach of all time. Greg Popavich.
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Are you saying Ginobili is on the same level as DWade and Kobe????


Is Popavich not on the same level as Phil Jackson????
 
Hack said:
Cmon really?

First of all. Tim did get a ring with a guy named David Robinson.

2nd, Ginobli and Parker will probably be hall of famers, and are nothing to sneeze at. They are great players. He doesn't have the same career without those guys.

3rd, Duncan played for probably the best coach of all time. Greg Popavich.
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I would argue that Duncan made Parker and Ginobili a lot better and Popovich has even said Duncan is a big reason why he is a good coach. A lot of people would argue that as well.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Are you saying Ginobili is on the same level as DWade and Kobe????


Is Popavich not on the same level as Phil Jackson????
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NAOS said:
I think he is. Manu in his prime was ****ing awesome. Did waaaay more than what showed up in the box score.
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White Chocolate said:
I would argue that Duncan made Parker and Ginobili a lot better and Popovich has even said Duncan is a big reason why he is a good coach. A lot of people would argue that as well.
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The Ginobili is his prime was a bad, bad, man. He was arguably just as good as those guys at the time. The Ginobili with the long black hair was sick. So good. Probably the most underrated player ever.
 
White Chocolate said:
I would argue that Duncan made Parker and Ginobili a lot better and Popovich has even said Duncan is a big reason why he is a good coach. A lot of people would argue that as well.
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Yeah I agree, Ginibili and Parker, as good as they are as players, would not have won 4 rings without Duncan.


Duncan on the other hand with another comparable cast could still win those rings.
 
Hack said:
The Ginobili is his prime was a bad, bad, man. He was arguably just as good as those guys at the time. The Ginobili with the long black hair was sick. So good. Probably the most underrated player ever.
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While I agree, no way is he on Kobe's or Wade's level. Both those dudes were first options on finals teams. Ginobili was the 6th man and 3rd (maybe 2nd) best player on finals teams.

Imagine Wade and Duncan on the same time during the early to mid 2000's, Duncan would probably have 7 rings. What about Duncan and Kobe?
 
Ginobili averaged 8.7 ppg in the '03 finals, 18.7 in the '05 finals, and 17.8 in the '07 finals.

Great numbers, but nowhere near Wade who averaged 30+ in the '06 finals or Kobe's 30+ in the '09 finals.

Ginobili's career high in ppg is 19.5 in 31 minutes a game. While it's not all about scoring, he is nowhere near these guys come on.
 
White Chocolate said:
While I agree, no way is he on Kobe's or Wade's level. Both those dudes were first options on finals teams. Ginobili was the 6th man and 3rd (maybe 2nd) best player on finals teams.

Imagine Wade and Duncan on the same time during the early to mid 2000's, Duncan would probably have 7 rings. What about Duncan and Kobe?
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Well if Kobe was able to win 2 more rings with Pau, I would guess that Kobe and Duncan could win at least 4-5 rings together just between them.
 
NAOS said:
Manu pops out in every single advanced metric I've seen. Efficient, imaginative, etc., etc.
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I love me some Ginobili don't get me wrong, you are a great poster as well, but on Kobe and Wade's level? Nah man.
 
White Chocolate said:
I love me some Ginobili don't get me wrong, you are a great poster as well, but on Kobe and Wade's level? Nah man.
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Wade's brilliance was too short-lived for me. He was spectacular in '06, no doubt.

Kobe gets knocked down several tiers, in my book, for being a ball-stopping, selfish player.

Manu is one of the best 5-on-5 players I've ever watched. A better 5-on-5 player than Kobe and Wade, who were great at commanding offenses but needed to command them in a certain way to have an impact. Manu sees the floor incredibly well, and makes an impact on every possession. He isn't as good a first-option player as the other guys, but since there'll always be 5 guys on the floor, I don't have to evaluate him on those terms.
 
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