spycam1
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So now we're using ad hominem arguments?
All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: spycam1 vs. Jeffrey32
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Are you arguing that Lakers had a better team than Celtics? Completely disagree. Bird had McHale and Parish. Lakers and Celtics both had the OG Big 3s. They were as equal as rival teams could get. Magic just was able to outdo Bird 2 out of three times head-to-head and also got to more Finals.
Plus, Magic didn't have Kareem at MSU.
Whose character am I attacking?
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Kobe is definitely superior to Wade IMO.
Check the list. Kobe has more than Hakeem in almost every major category and ties him in most of the others. Hakeem's only advantage is DPOY, but Kobe has more Defensive first teams. Kobe is #2 SG all-time, Hakeem is not maybe Top 5 center of all time (Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, and #5 Hakeem).
KOBE
5× NBA champion (2000–2002, 2009–2010)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
17× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2015)
4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)
11× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2013)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2011)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002, 2012)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
#3 scorer all time and counting
HAKEEM
2× NBA champion (1994–1995)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1994–1995)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1994)
12× NBA All-Star (1985–1990, 1992–1997)
6× All-NBA First Team (1987–1989, 1993–1994, 1997)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1986, 1990, 1996)
3× All-NBA Third Team (1991, 1995, 1999)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1993–1994)
5× All-Defensive First Team (1987–1988, 1990, 1993-1994)
4× All-Defensive Second Team (1985, 1991, 1996–1997)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
2x NBA rebounding leader (1989-1990)
3× NBA blocks leader (1990-1991, 1993)
NBA all-time blocks leader
Ya, nobody is gonna buy that argument. I'd take Hakeem any day of the week.
Hotdog
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This is a really tough argument.
But really these teams shouldn't even look the way they do. Siro foolishly traded Kobe to Jeffery for Reggie Miller and Tony Parker. So he shouldn't even be there. And Spy robbed some people in trades too by getting Bird, and I think he traded for Wade too, and snaked Rodman.
Seriously ridiculous. That's why I was against the whole idea of trading. You always get clowns making bad trades and helping out people, creating an unfair advantage.
What's the point of doing this if you are just get dumb asses screwing the whole thing up?
But really these teams shouldn't even look the way they do. Siro foolishly traded Kobe to Jeffery for Reggie Miller and Tony Parker. So he shouldn't even be there. And Spy robbed some people in trades too by getting Bird, and I think he traded for Wade too, and snaked Rodman.
Seriously ridiculous. That's why I was against the whole idea of trading. You always get clowns making bad trades and helping out people, creating an unfair advantage.
What's the point of doing this if you are just get dumb asses screwing the whole thing up?
♪alt13
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But there is the veto system though? It's there to protect people from making unfair trades. If you didn't think those trades were fair you should have voiced it and we could have looked at them during the draft process. Too late now though.
NAOS
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hey bro, remember when you made everybody do a recount? LoL good times. I love this time of year!
Hotdog
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Cmon. Is that trade not obviously a veto worthy trade? Am I the only one who noticed how lopsided it was? I said something. No one agreed.
I'm not gonna make a huge fuss anyways. I'm not crying like Alt is implying. Just SMH and pointing out how stupid it is that they were able to build those teams.
I can't stop people from being stupid. It's gonna happen. That's why I said we shouldn't allow trades. I saw this coming a mile away.
Well I guess the flip side of that is that this is replicating how the NBA works in a way. There will always be lopsided trades but as long as both teams agreed it's OK.
Remember how we bought the #27 pick from the Nuggets and such trade has not happened again since? Then there's that time when the Grizzlies traded away Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol and people thought was a bad trade? Worked out OK for the Grizzlies though.
♪alt13
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Imply? Surely my response was more explicit than that. Now, wipe your tears and go play with your friends.
You might but I would not. Kobe won as #2 with Shaq and #1 with Gasol. 5 Times! HAkeem would have a goose egg like Barkley and Malone if Jordan didn't "retire" for 2 seasons. Hakeem's titles should have an asterisks.
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Hotdog
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Wow ok, just tried to reason with you, no need to be like that.
Hack I traded Bird and essentially got Stockton and Erving back so shut up.
LogGrad is the one who traded Carter for Wade. Don't start making early excuses for when you lose.
LogGrad is the one who traded Carter for Wade. Don't start making early excuses for when you lose.
spycam1
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Dude, Kobe was Shaq's sidekick, whereas Hakeem crushed Shaq in the Finals.