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Beer said:
Thats kind of like a Japanese or Korean being deeply offended if they are called Chinese or Vietnamese. If you get offended by that punch yourself in the dick or boob.
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Must be a british thing.
 
Beer said:
Thats kind of like a Japanese or Korean being deeply offended if they are called Chinese or Vietnamese. If you get offended by that punch yourself in the dick or boob.
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offense taken aside, it's racialist. that was ur original question, i believe. i belee dat.
kinda like if someone assumed u was canadan or british or some other thing ur not.
i mean, someone could even assume u were mexican. and u know how much they suck.
 
Beer said:
Thats kind of like a Japanese or Korean being deeply offended if they are called Chinese or Vietnamese. If you get offended by that punch yourself in the dick or boob.
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There are Koreans alive today that lived during Japanese occupation. When I lived in Korea I told my boss that Americans couldn't differentiate, she was pissed off. Yeah, you're totally in the wrong here.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
There are Koreans alive today that lived during Japanese occupation. When I lived in Korea I told my boss that Americans couldn't differentiate, she was pissed off. Yeah, you're totally in the wrong here.
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Tell your boss to quit being a boob.
 
nightmare3983 said:
It could be that his parents are from Mexico but he was born here and simply grew up speaking Spanish.
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EXTREMELY unlikely, unless he didn't go to school or have English speaking friends or watch English television or listen to English music. So I guess its possible, but thats about as close to impossible as it gets.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
That is incredibly vague and totally incapable of describing anything. This is "hard science," as you put it. Have to be more specific.

A population is defined, in biology, as a group of individuals of the same species living in close-enough proximity that any member of the group can potentially mate with any other member. In modern human terms, a "population" is essentially the entire world.

"Distinct in some way" describes every single human in existence, so every human is his/her own race? And by "distinct," do you only mean phenotype? Or is the entire genotype? As Dalamon mentioned, the phenotype (the part of the genome that determines physical characteristics that one can "see") makes up a small percentage of the actual genetic code.

There isn't enough genetic diversity comparatively across humans of today to be able to classify into race. The diversity is spread too generally through the entire human population. Trends in a population isn't enough to classify into race. And if you specify even further to where trends become actualities, which is nearly impossible now because of the world wide nature of modern humans breeding pool, then you'd have millions of "races," which at that point would be useless anyway.
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Ok, sounds good. When someone tells me they are black or asian or otherwise different than I am, I will go ahead and tell them they are not, and that they are exactly the same as me, because Darkwing Duck told me that is the case. Apparently you know enough about every single human on earth to tell me that there are no heritable traits that make anyone else distinct from any other person.
 
If you have been around people who speak spanish, you can pretty much tell when they are from Mexico, or at least have a mexican accent. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that a person residing in the American Southwest who speaks spanish is probably Mexican. It is very similar to saying that a person living in New York/New Jersey who speaks with an Italian accent is probably from Italy.
 
Beer said:
EXTREMELY unlikely, unless he didn't go to school or have English speaking friends or watch English television or listen to English music. So I guess its possible, but thats about as close to impossible as it gets.
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i have a friend who is in his 20s and has a think spanish accent. born in the states, and spanish was his 1st language because thats what they speak in the home. he was homeschooled, and learned english but still retained the accent. i dont think he watching any english TV, cept my mr. bean, but his fav tv shows are all american--like breakin bad and game of thongs. there are lots of people like this where i live. u racialist bro. admit it.
 
b_line said:
If you have been around people who speak spanish, you can pretty much tell when they are from Mexico, or at least have a mexican accent. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that a person residing in the American Southwest who speaks spanish is probably Mexican. It is very similar to saying that a person living in New York/New Jersey who speaks with an Italian accent is probably from Italy.
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most of the people ive met who speak spanish are american doe
 
Then there are the Spanish like me who speak perfect Spanish but are completely caucasian (see the Gasol bros. or Calderon) so not that I care but I find it funny when some people say Spanish when they're talking about Mexican people. It'd be like calling all the US citizens English because that's the language we speak here...
 
Jamezz said:
Then there are the Spanish like me who speak perfect Spanish but are completely caucasian (see the Gasol bros. or Calderon) so not that I care but I find it funny when some people say Spanish when they're talking about Mexican people. It'd be like calling all the US citizens English because that's the language we speak here...
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dats what u get from racialists bro
 
It's all a matter of minding about the individual. I don't take offense when people criticize this part of Spanish 'culture':

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But it's not who I am and it certainly isn't what many Spanish people are. It's actually becoming more unpopular with every new generation. Will eventually disappear imo, as well as the Spanish royalty, or at least I hope.
 
b_line said:
Ok, sounds good. When someone tells me they are black or asian or otherwise different than I am, I will go ahead and tell them they are not, and that they are exactly the same as me, because Darkwing Duck told me that is the case. Apparently you know enough about every single human on earth to tell me that there are no heritable traits that make anyone else distinct from any other person.
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I thought you didn't want black as a race to be part of the conversation? Was I wrong there? Is it back in?

In any case, if that individual has training or schooling in human biology, and has knowledge of this thread, that person will ask you why you're erecting a straw man.

I implore you to define a specific race with the definition you supplied. Make up a race if you want to. I think I have an idea what you mean when you use population. What you'll find is when you use specific traits together, there will be other individuals outside that population that have those traits, and if you go general, there will be no reasonable determining line separating those of that race and those not of that race.

Back to that hypothetical individual, when that person tells you he/she is black, ask them how they define being black. Will he/she use biologically terminology to differentiate the most obvious trait (since a color is used as the name of the race), like I have 87% melanin content or comparative measures, like "my skin is darker than others." In the U.S., many will attribute "being black," to adhering to cultural expectancies. Thus, they're using race culturally, so, not unsurprisingly as it's been used already by people who seem to understand and have studied biology in some way, shape or form, as a social construct.

But please, again, try to do so biologically. Define a race. When you look at the entire genotype instead of just the phenotype, you'll likely find more diversity outside of the phenotype than within it. And if you're determined to ONLY use the phenotype to define a race, then what purpose would it show? For instance, if you identify with "white," there are other "white" people you can and cannot receive blood from, and that percentage isn't going to change when you look at those identifying with "black" on whether you, the white person, can receive blood from. So defining race using only the phenotype has no impact on biology whatsoever, leaving race defined by phenotype useful only in the cultural setting, making it, yet again, a characteristic of a social construct.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I thought you didn't want black as a race to be part of the conversation? Was I wrong there? Is it back in?

In any case, if that individual has training or schooling in human biology, and has knowledge of this thread, that person will ask you why you're erecting a straw man.

I implore you to define a specific race with the definition you supplied. Make up a race if you want to. I think I have an idea what you mean when you use population. What you'll find is when you use specific traits together, there will be other individuals outside that population that have those traits, and if you go general, there will be no reasonable determining line separating those of that race and those not of that race.

Back to that hypothetical individual, when that person tells you he/she is black, ask them how they define being black. Will he/she use biologically terminology to differentiate the most obvious trait (since a color is used as the name of the race), like I have 87% melanin content or comparative measures, like "my skin is darker than others." In the U.S., many will attribute "being black," to adhering to cultural expectancies. Thus, they're using race culturally, so, not unsurprisingly as it's been used already by people who seem to understand and have studied biology in some way, shape or form, as a social construct.

But please, again, try to do so biologically. Define a race. When you look at the entire genotype instead of just the phenotype, you'll likely find more diversity outside of the phenotype than within it. And if you're determined to ONLY use the phenotype to define a race, then what purpose would it show? For instance, if you identify with "white," there are other "white" people you can and cannot receive blood from, and that percentage isn't going to change when you look at those identifying with "black" on whether you, the white person, can receive blood from. So defining race using only the phenotype has no impact on biology whatsoever, leaving race defined by phenotype useful only in the cultural setting, making it, yet again, a characteristic of a social construct.
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*grabs popcorn*

DD nailing it.
 
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