Amber Guyger Trial Starts...

[Gameface]

This kid is just on a higher level than most.

Man, I just watched that. I'm not sure what to say, other than he is a very strong young man.

 

[Archie Moses]

I've thought about this the last few days. I've read a lot of tweets and people's reactions. Hell, even my own reaction was she's a murderer and the hell with her.

Although she did kill someone out of incompetence and she's a cop who we hold to a higher standard because of training, I don't think anyone can argue she did it on purpose. She was distracted, made a mistake and went to the wrong appartment, was hyper focused on texting and over reacted (I'm sure she was scared/confused when she saw a man when she was expecting to be home.) Her incompetence and thought process of grabbing her gun and shooting because of the mentality (like GF mentioned) hold your ground and shoot first, ask questions later took a man's life who was eating ice cream in the comfort and safety of his own home.

Someone is dead. A precious, innocent life was violently, and unexpectedly robbed from his family and friends. Nothing will ever fix that.

Again, I've been thinking about this and her sentence. My first reaction was, well, that's bull ****. My second reaction was thinking of other's reactions and thinking this was injustice.

After some time to reflect, I'm fine with her sentencing. I don't think she deserves the same sentence as someone who murders someone on purpose (you get what I'm saying, I hope.)

I think people are thinking of other injustices, ludicrous sentences, history between cops and blacks, race, and wanting her to pay for it or thinking that's why she got handed an easy sentence.

10 years or 5 years, at least to me, isn't easy. I think, our mentality of lock em up, throw the books at 'em, and throw away the key is so out dated. We need, as a society, to rehabilitate criminals. We need to make their sentences something that focuses on their and society's betterment. Her being in prison for life or longer really does nobody good.

The victim's brother is a better man than I am. If he can forgive her, then why can't I?


There's a lot of really hurt people over this. Reading Twitter makes me sad, honestly. I hope racial tensions can be mended. I hope racial injustices are fixed and white people are held accountable to their crimes and black people (minorities) don't keep getting the short end of the stick. I hope police brutality and trigger happy cops become a thing of the past. I hope that black people don't have to fear eating ice cream in their own homes and still being shot by cops. - Yeah, there are always going to be bad people and bad things that happen, but damn we can do better.

 

[LogGrad98]

You have to remember that by and large social media and the perceived veil of anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people. People say all kinds of stuff on there they would never say to someone face. Even about half the **** that people spew here on JF we probably wouldn't say to that same person if we were just having a drink and chatting across a table from each other. Online we call it trolling and mostly laugh it off. In real life the same behavior is called being an unmitigated ******* and is generally shunned.

 

[LogGrad98]

I've thought about this the last few days. I've read a lot of tweets and people's reactions. Hell, even my own reaction was she's a murderer and the hell with her.

Although she did kill someone out of incompetence and she's a cop who we hold to a higher standard because of training, I don't think anyone can argue she did it on purpose. She was distracted, made a mistake and went to the wrong appartment, was hyper focused on texting and over reacted (I'm sure she was scared/confused when she saw a man when she was expecting to be home.) Her incompetence and thought process of grabbing her gun and shooting because of the mentality (like GF mentioned) hold your ground and shoot first, ask questions later took a man's life who was eating ice cream in the comfort and safety of his own home.

Someone is dead. A precious, innocent life was violently, and unexpectedly robbed from his family and friends. Nothing will ever fix that.

Again, I've been thinking about this and her sentence. My first reaction was, well, that's bull ****. My second reaction was thinking of other's reactions and thinking this was injustice.

After some time to reflect, I'm fine with her sentencing. I don't think she deserves the same sentence as someone who murders someone on purpose (you get what I'm saying, I hope.)

I think people are thinking of other injustices, ludicrous sentences, history between cops and blacks, race, and wanting her to pay for it or thinking that's why she got handed an easy sentence.

10 years or 5 years, at least to me, isn't easy. I think, our mentality of lock em up, throw the books at 'em, and throw away the key is so out dated. We need, as a society, to rehabilitate criminals. We need to make their sentences something that focuses on their and society's betterment. Her being in prison for life or longer really does nobody good.

The victim's brother is a better man than I am. If he can forgive her, then why can't I?


There's a lot of really hurt people over this. Reading Twitter makes me sad, honestly. I hope racial tensions can be mended. I hope racial injustices are fixed and white people are held accountable to their crimes and black people (minorities) don't keep getting the short end of the stick. I hope police brutality and trigger happy cops become a thing of the past. I hope that black people don't have to fear eating ice cream in their own homes and still being shot by cops. - Yeah, there are always going to be bad people and bad things that happen, but damn we can do better.

I completely agree with the sentiment of rehabilitation, but we are very very far from that as a reality. I know punishment should really only be tangential in a perfect scenario, although there are imo some individuals that will not or cannot be rehabilitated, and there are crimes that are committed that should result in the individual never again seeing the light of day, so to speak.

But right now, this is what we have and imo her sentence was far too light considering the aggravating circumstances. For me the clincher was her decision to not provide first aid and instead text her boyfriend. If she had recognized what she did, and provided what aid she could, which frankly was considerable considering she had a gun shot wound first aid kit with her and, presumably, the training to use it, then I would be fine with a more lenient sentence. As it stands, she got off too easy.

 

[Archie Moses]

I completely agree with the sentiment of rehabilitation, but we are very very far from that as a reality. I know punishment should really only be tangential in a perfect scenario, although there are imo some individuals that will not or cannot be rehabilitated, and there are crimes that are committed that should result in the individual never again seeing the light of day, so to speak.

But right now, this is what we have and imo her sentence was far too light considering the aggravating circumstances. For me the clincher was her decision to not provide first aid and instead text her boyfriend. If she had recognized what she did, and provided what aid she could, which frankly was considerable considering she had a gun shot wound first aid kit with her and, presumably, the training to use it, then I would be fine with a more lenient sentence. As it stands, she got off too easy.

There are definitely individuals that can't and won't be rehabilitated. I just wonder if there's a way where you can oversee and force the criminals to do something for the betterment of society rather than live a large part of their life as wasted space in a cell. There has to be a better, more modern way imo.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I completely agree with the sentiment of rehabilitation, but we are very very far from that as a reality. I know punishment should really only be tangential in a perfect scenario, although there are imo some individuals that will not or cannot be rehabilitated, and there are crimes that are committed that should result in the individual never again seeing the light of day, so to speak.

But right now, this is what we have and imo her sentence was far too light considering the aggravating circumstances. For me the clincher was her decision to not provide first aid and instead text her boyfriend. If she had recognized what she did, and provided what aid she could, which frankly was considerable considering she had a gun shot wound first aid kit with her and, presumably, the training to use it, then I would be fine with a more lenient sentence. As it stands, she got off too easy.

I would have liked to see what the sentence would have been had it been a black male officer shooting an innocent white woman on accident.

Some of the she was tired and sexting with her married boyfriend so she was distracted stuff was pretty weak. I don’t know what really happened here but I’m not sure the story that the victim was warned is true or accurate. I don’t think she went and killed this guy knowingly on purpose either... just such a weird situation. Would just love to know what really happened here.

 

[LogGrad98]

There are definitely individuals that can't and won't be rehabilitated. I just wonder if there's a way where you can oversee and force the criminals to do something for the betterment of society rather than live a large part of their life as wasted space in a cell. There has to be a better, more modern way imo.

Medical transcription?

 

[The Midnight]

I would have liked to see what the sentence would have been had it been a black male officer shooting an innocent white woman on accident.

Some of the she was tired and sexting with her married boyfriend so she was distracted stuff was pretty weak. I don’t know what really happened here but I’m not sure the story that the victim was warned is true or accurate. I don’t think she went and killed this guy knowingly on purpose either... just such a weird situation. Would just love to know what really happened here.

Yeah she testified that she yelled "SHOW ME YOUR HANDS, SHOW ME YOUR HANDS" before shooting him.

But none of her neighbours ever heard her say that (but they did hear the victim yell "HEY, HEY!" before the gun shot).

I personally don't think she yelled anything. I think she made that part up to justify the shooting.

 

[Archie Moses]

I would have liked to see what the sentence would have been had it been a black male officer shooting an innocent white woman on accident.

Some of the she was tired and sexting with her married boyfriend so she was distracted stuff was pretty weak. I don’t know what really happened here but I’m not sure the story that the victim was warned is true or accurate. I don’t think she went and killed this guy knowingly on purpose either... just such a weird situation. Would just love to know what really happened here.

It is pretty weak, but unless I'm missing something here, I think she accidentally went into the wrong apartment. Unless you think she did it on purpose.

I know plenty of ditsy people that are so not situationally aware it's hard to stomach. These people will miss their own freeway exits. Space out and try and exit their freeway exit from the fast lane in a few hundred feet. Leave their kids in cars, in the summer, and forget about them. Text and walk into things. Text and immediately start to text when they get in a wreck because of texting. But in line like they don't conform to lines and they're the center of the universe.

It would be interesting to see if the roles were reversed what the sentencing would be. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same or if it were more harsh. It would depend on the jury and their racial biases or objectivity.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah she testified that she yelled "SHOW ME YOUR HANDS, SHOW ME YOUR HANDS" before shooting him.

But none of her neighbours ever heard her say that (but they did hear the victim yell "HEY, HEY!" before the gun shot).

I personally don't think she yelled anything. I think she made that part up to justify the shooting.

Yeah that sounds like some ********... again I don't truly understand her thinking because it is really irrational.

 

[The Midnight]

Yeah that sounds like some ********... again I don't truly understand her thinking because it is really irrational.

I think it's her mentality.

I think it was during the sentencing phase where the State showed that she posted something on IG saying 'Shoot first, ask later', or something along those lines. It was not allowed during the trial but allowed during the sentencing phase argument.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It is pretty weak, but unless I'm missing something here, I think she accidentally went into the wrong apartment. Unless you think she did it on purpose.

I know plenty of ditsy people that are so not situationally aware it's hard to stomach. These people will miss their own freeway exits. Space out and try and exit their freeway exit from the fast lane in a few hundred feet. Leave their kids in cars, in the summer, and forget about them. Text and walk into things. Text and immediately start to text when they get in a wreck because of texting. But in line like they don't conform to lines and they're the center of the universe.

It would be interesting to see if the roles were reversed what the sentencing would be. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same or if it were more harsh. It would depend on the jury and their racial biases or objectivity.

I can see that... there is just a few things that aren't lining up for me. It isn't hard for me to believe someone walked into the wrong apartment... they walk into the apartment, don't notice that the stuff isn't theirs, see a stranger, pull a gun, offer a warning?, then shoot to kill... like its too much to be an accident imo… but there is no motive. It's just weird AF.