American Soldier Murders Afghans

[Deleted member 848]

Children are a threat to our soldiers. That's just a fact.

I enjoyed your "war against children" straw-man though. I knew someone would go there.



Two Middle East mothers are sitting in a cafe chatting over a plate of tabouli and a pint of goats milk.

The older of the mothers pulls a bag out of her purse and starts flipping through photos. And they start reminiscing.

This is my oldest son Mohammed. He would be 24 years old now.

Yes, I remember him as a baby says the other mother cheerfully.

He’s a martyr now though mum confides.

Oh, so sad dear says the other.

And this is my second son Kalid. He would be 21'

Oh, I remember him, says the other happily, he had such curly hair when he was born.

Hes a martyr too says mum quietly.

Oh, gracious me Says the other.

And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed.

He would be 18, she whispers.

Yes says the friend enthusiastically, I remember when he first started school

Hes a martyr also, says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says

They blow up so fast, dont they

Is this supposed to be an attempt at humour?

 

[MK11]

Children are a threat to our soldiers. That's just a fact.

I enjoyed your "war against children" straw-man though. I knew someone would go there.



Two Middle East mothers are sitting in a cafe chatting over a plate of tabouli and a pint of goats milk.

The older of the mothers pulls a bag out of her purse and starts flipping through photos. And they start reminiscing.

This is my oldest son Mohammed. He would be 24 years old now.

Yes, I remember him as a baby says the other mother cheerfully.

He’s a martyr now though mum confides.

Oh, so sad dear says the other.

And this is my second son Kalid. He would be 21'

Oh, I remember him, says the other happily, he had such curly hair when he was born.

Hes a martyr too says mum quietly.

Oh, gracious me Says the other.

And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed.

He would be 18, she whispers.

Yes says the friend enthusiastically, I remember when he first started school

Hes a martyr also, says mum, with tears in her eyes.

After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says

They blow up so fast, dont they

Women and children aren't innocent in this war...they participate...whether through force or desire.

Thanks for the new word(straw-man).

But, you've said that the children are not innocent in this war. And you've said that they participate.

I, have just said that the children are always innocent and you can not war against them. So where the hell is my "straw-man"ness?

Meanwhile, I have also said that you can take precautions, concerning your children-phobia...

Now, as for your wonderfully funny scenario, I accept the defeat on that, your imaginativeness tops mine, I don't think I can surmount that. But I can say this, you seem really really really unaware about the rest of the world...

 

[PearlWatson]

Thanks for the new word(straw-man).

But, you've said that the children are not innocent in this war. And you've said that they participate.

I, have just said that the children are always innocent and you can not war against them. So where the hell is my "straw-man"ness?

Meanwhile, I have also said that you can take precautions, concerning your children-phobia...

Now, as for your wonderfully funny scenario, I accept the defeat on that, your imaginativeness tops mine, I don't think I can surmount that. But I can say this, you seem really really really unaware about the rest of the world...

The straw-man comes in because I never said we should war against children. I thought it possible the guy was retaliating against the village for killing his buddies or whatever. Or maybe he was sick of being jerked around, unsupported by his own commander in chief, and a target of everyone around him.

What precautions can you take against "childrenphobia" in this occupation/nation building/sitting around waiting to come home or whatever it is? It ain't even war. It is all a waste.

Sorry I have no respect for a religion whose founder had a 6 year old bride. Treats their women like chattel. Makes martyrs of their children. Kills gays, stones rape victims, etc. I'm sure there are kind Muslim people but the religion has too many "black marks" as Nate would say.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The straw-man comes in because I never said we should war against children. I thought it possible the guy was retaliating against the village for killing his buddies or whatever. Or maybe he was sick of being jerked around, unsupported by his own commander in chief, and a target of everyone around him.

What precautions can you take against "childrenphobia" in this occupation/nation building/sitting around waiting to come home or whatever it is? It ain't even war. It is all a waste.

Sorry I have no respect for a religion whose founder had a 6 year old bride. Treats their women like chattel. Makes martyrs of their children. Kills gays, stones rape victims, etc. I'm sure there are kind Muslim people but the religion has too many "black marks" as Nate would say.

Were you home-schooled for your entire adolescent life? Or are you suffering from some sort of mental illness? I am currently trying to think of reasons why you are easily one of the most incompetent posters on this forum.

 

[Stoked]

Were you home-schooled for your entire adolescent life? Or are you suffering from some sort of mental illness? I am currently trying to think of reasons why you are easily one of the most incompetent posters on this forum.

My vote is that he is a rubber cement huffer.

 

[PearlWatson]

*lashing out because I have to no defense for my religion*

Your founder had a 6 year old bride...a kindergartner. Does that bother you even a little bit?

 

[Nate505]

Sorry I have no respect for a religion whose founder had a 6 year old bride. Treats their women like chattel. Makes martyrs of their children. Kills gays, stones rape victims, etc. I'm sure there are kind Muslim people but the religion has too many "black marks" as Nate would say.

Far be it for me to defend Islam. As far as I can tell they are one of the worst religions when it comes to tolerance.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

I previously put the other verse were it states killing 1 person is like killing mankind. Notice it says 1 person and not 1 Muslim or believer.

Stoning is not mentioned ONE TIME in the entirety of the Qur'an. The same cannot be said for the Bible (there are three times were it is used and seen as acceptable punishment).

The Qur'an prescribes no punishment for gays or apostles...

People put all these accusations about Islam without any references to verses because they don't exist.

People criticize the Qur'an without knowing its the perfect religion.

Also about Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) first I hear 12 years old, then 9, now people are saying 6 years old?? You guys realize the first time he married he was 25 years old and he married a 40 year old women.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Your founder had a 6 year old bride...a kindergartner. Does that bother you even a little bit?

I refuse to respond to this.

Far be it for me to defend Islam. As far as I can tell they are one of the worst religions when it comes to tolerance.

Alright Nate, I gotta pack my bags and get on the train pretty quickly here, so I can't address this (currently) as well as I should, but Ill try and give a few points.


Islam, prior to the 1950s, was probably the most tolerant of religions. Islamic countries were the first ones world-wide that granted its citizens a freedom to express any faith they wished, as long as they paid a tax to the country's military for protection. It is for this reason that you can still find religious minorities throughout the Muslim world, such as the Catholic Khaldians of Iraq, and what not. Can the same be said about Spain, and its formerly high Muslim population?

I shall find some scriptural evidence, and links that support my currently bales claims either later today or tomorrow, but please try and consider doing some research before deciding on claims like that. Unfortunately for us, the last 40 years have been quite the dark stain in our religion, when it comes to leaders of countries/militant groups like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Taliban being used by the media as a complete representation of our faith. Our faith honestly preaches tolerance, I assure you. It is ultimately the biggest reason why i am so tolerant of all of the faiths that I come across here on Jazzfanz, FWIW.

 

[MK11]

The straw-man comes in because I never said we should war against children. I thought it possible the guy was retaliating against the village for killing his buddies or whatever. Or maybe he was sick of being jerked around, unsupported by his own commander in chief, and a target of everyone around him.

What precautions can you take against "childrenphobia" in this occupation/nation building/sitting around waiting to come home or whatever it is? It ain't even war. It is all a waste.

Sorry I have no respect for a religion whose founder had a 6 year old bride. Treats their women like chattel. Makes martyrs of their children. Kills gays, stones rape victims, etc. I'm sure there are kind Muslim people but the religion has too many "black marks" as Nate would say.

Your founder had a 6 year old bride...a kindergartner. Does that bother you even a little bit?

Pff, Millsapa, my dear friend, were you and me arguing about any religion? What's the point of suddennly attacking to Islam? Is this better than my so called "straw-man"nes?

It's also so sad that you're doing this in a way which shows that you're terribly uninformed/misinformed about the Islam.

Too bad, I don't have enough time to argue about this sudden new way of the argument.

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing. TRUE...........

I previously put the other verse were it states killing 1 person is like killing mankind. Notice it says 1 person and not 1 Muslim or believer. TRUE...........

Stoning is not mentioned ONE TIME in the entirety of the Qur'an. The same cannot be said for the Bible (there are three times were it is used and seen as acceptable punishment). TRUE...........

The Qur'an prescribes no punishment for gays or apostles... TRUE...........

People put all these accusations about Islam without any references to verses because they don't exist.

People criticize the Qur'an without knowing its the perfect religion.

Also about Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) first I hear 12 years old, then 9, now people are saying 6 years old?? You guys realize the first time he married he was 25 years old and he married a 40 year old women.

Far be it for me to defend Islam. As far as I can tell they are one of the worst religions when it comes to tolerance.

Nate505, I definitely wouldn't expect to hear such a prejudice from you.

First of all my friend, not that the muslims are really intolerant people but(it's a too easy generalization and unfair), it saddens me when I hear accusations about islam because of the muslims. To me, it really is the guilt of muslims actually to put islam into this position, because they themselves have no idea about what really islam about is, generally. So I really don't blame you.

But it's also the guilt of western world who make people think in a primitive way like easily believing islam and its billions of followers are bad and evil, or intolerant. It's sad our western friends have already defeated by islamophobia and can think and speak about islam and its people with prejudice, misinformation or even with being totally uninformed.

I can say with my experience of knowing all kind of people, there really is not any relation when it comes to angel-ness or evil-ness of the people with their religion or their etnicity, for the major part of the world.

Anyway I can only suggest to study well the any subject that we want to have an opinion about, with multiple sources and from everysides of the issue along with the most objective sources, rather than to be with closed mind and closed eyes to the actual world.

Maybe I can also suggest everyone who wonder about the actual tolerance of the islam, to read Rumi who is one of the most known thinkers of the islam world by the westerners.

 

[utahjazz107]

All Religions ultimately lead to the same ****....violence and war.

There is only one God, Gordon Hayward.

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[PearlWatson]

Pff, Millsapa, my dear friend, were you and me arguing about any religion? What's the point of suddennly attacking to Islam? Is this better than my so called "straw-man"nes?

It's also so sad that you're doing this in a way which shows that you're terribly uninformed/misinformed about the Islam.

Too bad, I don't have enough time to argue about this sudden new way of the argument.

I don't know how Islam came up in connection to the Afghan war. It is crazy what pops up out of the blue around here.