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siromar said:
More than agree. Back in the day, the whole world was religious, so it was a matter of picking your poison. The Islamic world was leagues ahead of Christian Europe in every conceivable way (scientifically, socially, philosophically, etc). They were tolerant and progressive. In fact, if it wasn't for a chain of unfortunate events (the fragmentation of society along sectarian lines, conflict over rule, rise in fundamentalism, and the Mongol wars), humanity would have reached the age of Enlightenment a couple of hundred years earlier. The European Renaissance was the direct product of Muslim philosophy, and its influence on the great European religious thinkers, like Thomas Aquinas.

The world owe Muslims a lot. I have no gripe with that. But that was then, and this is now. And now, superior paradigms exist.
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Btw I wanted to add something. Not necessarily to you or in this post but there is this big misconception of what came first, Islam or Arabic progress. People say that the Qur'an has no scientific inaccuracies, scopes apart the Arabic language and is a literally style that cannot be repeated without copying it word for word, and gives women inheritance rights 1200 years before most European countries because the Arabs at the time were advanced when the Qur'an was written. People think Islam is such a perfect religion because the Arabs at the time were so advanced when they came up with it. This is far from the truth. Even Muhammad (S.A.W.) was amazed at how barbaric the Arabs were. They would often bury their newborns if they were females, they thought mountains held up the sky, the list goes on.
The Arabs were progressed at unprecedented levels after the Qur'an was given about astronomy (an example is that the solar apex is mentioned in the Qur'an when it was first described in the west at 1783), also embryology the two common thoughts at the time were Aristotelian view and a Galen view. Galen thought there were mini humans in sperm and that all genetic data came from dad and Aristotle thought sperm mixed with menstrual blood to form humans (it is different in Qur'an both mom and dad are equal, and the dad determines sex of child).

The fall of Islam came from a mixture of things. One was that Europe were imperialists and imperialism put them ahead. Something about me is that I am a little bit of a Qur'anist muslim, meaning I don't take the Haddith from either Sunni or Shia as 100% canon. I make the case that when the Islamic empire went back and started taking the Haddith as canon also contributed to their fall. A third reason is from something called "resource curse" or paradox of the plenty. Oil has caused their demise.
 
If we ever hear about how an American soldiers murders a young Phoenix, Arizona Muslim....I probably wouldn't be too sad about it. Just saying.
 
I thought I read that this dude was serving his 4th tour of Afghanistan. That'll do a number on your brain man, don't care what anybody says.

While going on a murdering rampage like this one is always unacceptable, I'm not sure it's that surprising.

You occupy a country for 10+ years.... You see how incompetent they are... You see how they are constantly fighting against each other while eating away billions of your tax money... You see death all around you... And just like Vietnam, the people who you think are on your side are stabbing you behind your back! It's impossible to know "who" really is your ally and who isn't.

Of course these soldiers are going to be tired and paranoid.

I'm surprised more incidents like these haven't happened!

Time to get the hell out of there.
 
The Thriller said:
I thought I read that this dude was serving his 4th tour of Afghanistan. That'll do a number on your brain man, don't care what anybody says.

While going on a murdering rampage like this one is always unacceptable, I'm not sure it's that surprising.

You occupy a country for 10+ years.... You see how incompetent they are... You see how they are constantly fighting against each other while eating away billions of your tax money... You see death all around you... And just like Vietnam, the people who you think are on your side are stabbing you behind your back! It's impossible to know "who" really is your ally and who isn't.

Of course these soldiers are going to be tired and paranoid.

I'm surprised more incidents like these haven't happened!

Time to get the hell out of there.
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I think it is his 4th tour but 2nd in Afghanistan. If I remember correctly he had done two in Iraq previously.
 
Gojazz79 said:
I think it is his 4th tour but 2nd in Afghanistan. If I remember correctly he had done two in Iraq previously.
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You're probably right. I knew it was his 4th tour but I didn't know if it was all in Afghanistan or not.

I think the same principle applies though....

So much war will do a number on anyone's brain. I'm surprised this kind of stuff doesn't happen even more.

What kind of lives are our vets going to live? I admit, I haven't served and most of my friends involved in the military are still mostly in the reserve and haven't really served abroad....But I'm guessing that cases of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and other mental conditions are through the roof. You can't just serve in so much war and expect it to not take a toll.
 
The Thriller said:
You're probably right. I knew it was his 4th tour but I didn't know if it was all in Afghanistan or not.

I think the same principle applies though....

So much war will do a number on anyone's brain. I'm surprised this kind of stuff doesn't happen even more.

What kind of lives are our vets going to live? I admit, I haven't served and most of my friends involved in the military are still mostly in the reserve and haven't really served abroad....But I'm guessing that cases of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and other mental conditions are through the roof. You can't just serve in so much war and expect it to not take a toll.
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That is particularly big. My father has it from vietnam. When he goes to a restaurant or something he sits with his back to a wall so he can see everything coming at him. Lots of little signs.
 
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