An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

[TroutBum]

Stopped watching after she mentioned the grim reaper and green fog killing millions in Europe... just 1 minute in.

That’s pretty funny right there. It’s too bad that the subject is mired in silliness and mediocrity because of that kind of “expert.” Why can’t we just find a super-smart person who is passionate about this particular field, who doesn’t have a freaky-dumbass “I just woke up; aliens” afro, and isn’t into every conspiracy theory out there? Some honest to goodness thought, research, and evidence presented in the proper scientific way would be splendid.

 

[One Brow]

Why can’t we just find a super-smart person who is passionate about this particular field, who doesn’t have a freaky-dumbass “I just woke up; aliens” afro, and isn’t into every conspiracy theory out there?

I'd tell you, but you wouldn't like the answer.

 

[Archie Moses]

That’s pretty funny right there. It’s too bad that the subject is mired in silliness and mediocrity because of that kind of “expert.” Why can’t we just find a super-smart person who is passionate about this particular field, who doesn’t have a freaky-dumbass “I just woke up; aliens” afro, and isn’t into every conspiracy theory out there? Some honest to goodness thought, research, and evidence presented in the proper scientific way would be splendid.

To be fair, Linda Moulton Howe is one of the best and respected alternative journalists out there.

 

[Archie Moses]

Stopped watching after she mentioned the grim reaper and green fog killing millions in Europe... just 1 minute in.

You stopped watching because she mentioned an historical account of what people mentioned from the 1300s so she could transition that reference point of what people said into the book the God's of Eden and Cow Mutilations? At no point does she say the grim reaper existed, she says these are the first accounts of the grim reaper and how they came to be.

Tell me, do you stop reading about the Salem Witch Trials when you read about witches too? Lol

 

[Archie Moses]

The likelihood that "life," as defined as loosely as you could in human terms, doesn't exist outside of earth in the universe is probably astronomically low. The likelihood said life has crash landed several times ONLY in rural areas on the 1/3 portion of Earth not under water is equally astronomically low.

Have you ever heard of USOs by chance?

There have been a number of UFO and USOs crashing or submerging in the ocean or lakes. Just because you've only heard about land crashes, doesn't mean water crashes haven't been reported.

 

[Archie Moses]

Intelligent life visiting Earth? Absolutely. Abductions, mutilations, and all that horse ****? In my opinion, nope.

Animal mutilations is one of those things that completely weird me out. In your opinion, what do you think is the source of the tens of thousands of reportered cattle/animal mutilations? Satanic groups? If you read about them, it's hard to wrap your mind around it.

https://nypost.com/2016/09/05/the-s...000-animal-mutilations-in-americas-heartland/

 

[LogGrad98]

I get skeptical because apparently they have the technology and ability for inter-stellar travel, but for some reason they can't fly and keep crashing. You'd think they would improve and make some adjustments after the first few times.

Also what is to gain by continually observing us? Is it tourism? Scientifically, compared to a species that is far enough advanced for effective inter-stellar travel, we would be pretty boring really. I could see it if it was like us studying like monkeys on our own planet, but would we put the resources together to go study monkeys several star systems away over hundreds or thousands of years? Seems unlikely.

 

[Scat]

I get skeptical because apparently they have the technology and ability for inter-stellar travel, but for some reason they can't fly and keep crashing. You'd think they would improve and make some adjustments after the first few times.

This.

Also what is to gain by continually observing us? Is it tourism? Scientifically, compared to a species that is far enough advanced for effective inter-stellar travel, we would be pretty boring really. I could see it if it was like us studying like monkeys on our own planet, but would we put the resources together to go study monkeys several star systems away over hundreds or thousands of years? Seems unlikely.

They have to spend their government grant money or lose it.

 

[Red]

That’s pretty funny right there. It’s too bad that the subject is mired in silliness and mediocrity because of that kind of “expert.” Why can’t we just find a super-smart person who is passionate about this particular field, who doesn’t have a freaky-dumbass “I just woke up; aliens” afro, and isn’t into every conspiracy theory out there? Some honest to goodness thought, research, and evidence presented in the proper scientific way would be splendid.

I agree. I've had an interest in the subject of UFOs since my childhood in the 50's. Met my future wife in the UFO section of a local bookstore. I really enjoy thinking outside the box. No surprise my favorite author on the subject was French scientist Jacques Vallee.

Anyway, several interesting developments since late 2017. First, the Pentagon admitted, that despite saying military interest in UFOs ended with Project Blue Book in the late 60's, that in fact a more recent program kept tabs on military pilot observations of unknowns:
The Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program(AATIP). They claimed it ended in 2012, but Luis Elizondo, who directed it, claims it is ongoing:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/16/pentagon-ufo-search-harry-reid-216111

Then, in April, 2019, frustrated Navy pilots got the Navy to stop dismissing sightings, to convey to pilots that their careers would not be threatened if they reported such encounters with unknowns:

https://www.philly.com/news/nation-...s-ufos-navy-document-encounters-20190424.html

"Since 2014, these intrusions have been happening on a regular basis,” Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told the Washington Post on Wednesday. Recently, unidentified aircraft entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month. “We want to get to the bottom of this. We need to determine who’s doing it, where it’s coming from, and what their intent is. We need to try to find ways to prevent it from happening again.”

Finally, in May, 2019, the Pentagon admitted that they do still collect and study reports, that the program did not end in 2012:

https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/the-pentagon-finally-admits-it-investigates-ufos/

 

[Red]

In late 2017/early 2018, 3 videos were released describing Navy pilot encounters with unknowns. The best known incident, which was familiar to UFO researchers before the existence of the Pentagon study was revealed, involved the carrier USS Nimitz, and occurred in 2004. Here strike fighter commander David Fravor describes his experience:



Here are all 3 videos that were released. The first one was recorded by a Navy fighter pilot who was scrambled from the Nimitz after Fravor returned to the carrier:

https://www.history.com/playlists/ufo-fighter-pilots-video-playlist

George Knapp of KLAS, Las Vegas, obtained a Pentagon report on the 2004 Nimitz incident:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tling-new-details-supersonic-Tic-Tac-UFO.html

https://www.history.com/news/uss-nimitz-2004-tic-tac-ufo-encounter

The Pentagon report on the Nimitz incident, as obtained by KLAS, Las Vegas:

https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document_dev/2018/05/18/TIC TAC UFO EXECUTIVE REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf

And here is an interview with Chris Mellon, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence, and former staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee:



The History Network begins a series on all this on 5/31/19. I am admittedly skeptical of the History Network, they of "Ancient Aliens". I personally have no reason to ascribe the engineering feats of ancient civilizations to alien intervention.

That said, after a lifetime of interest in this subject, I am elated at the new disclosures and willingness to respect the eyewitness testimony of highly trained pilots. I never thought I would see the day, to be honest.

 

[Archie Moses]

I get skeptical because apparently they have the technology and ability for inter-stellar travel, but for some reason they can't fly and keep crashing. You'd think they would improve and make some adjustments after the first few times.

There are much more reports and sightings of UFOs where they don't crash. A lot of the crashes that are known are from the 40s and 50s.

At the end if the day, they could be eons technologically advanced than what we are. That said, our environment could be completely different than what their crafts are designed for. I suspect, no matter how far technology advances, there's always going to be malfunctions, pilot errors, and environmental conditions that will play a factor.

 

[Red]

It's very easy to mock UFO reports. Indeed, it's been the default response by the media, physical scientists, and much of the general public for many decades. But once you go down the rabbit hole with curiosity, and the attitude "I don't know everything about the universe I live in", it's OK to say, "yes, I know these things must be impossible from the view of physics and the nature of space travel that we believe must be the case, but I won't fear being mocked". My wife had one of the most incredible close encounters I have ever heard. I will not repeat it here, it would betray her trust. It happened when she was about 12 years old, and she remembers it like it was yesterday. I cannot explain her experience, nor use it as proof of anything, indeed there are components that make me wonder "was this entirely a physical event?". But I do believe it happened. I do not mock her experience. And I do not mock the observations of trained pilots.

I have no idea what is going on, and I am certain many could be identified. But I don't pretend to know everything about the universe, or the reality, in which I live. The whole subject has afforded a wonderful opportunity to think outside the box, the very reason Jacques Vallee became my favorite researcher on the subject.

Here is an interesting recent book on the subject. The study of UFOs is not just about "are these actual nuts and bolts phenomena?". There are interesting components involving sociology and the development of belief systems in the modern era:

Amazon product ASIN 019069288X