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Another article favoring Kanter

NCJazz said:
The only team in the top 10 they are dodging is Milwaukee so it is ok. He has no problem playing here. I am sure they would want to see one of our bigs traded though.
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Even so, I hate to see agents manipulate the draft process at all. I suppose my dislike should be centered more on his agent rather than Kanter himself.
 
^ This. Kanter had no idea what had been done (I know this is true) and then took steps to correct it. Most (not all) agents, shoe reps, 'handlers', etc .. suck.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The comparisons to Koufos are so ****ing wack. Anyone paying attention watching both would immediately recognize that Koufos was never really that skilled or powerful.
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Utter poppycock. KoKo against the competition that Kanter played against was plenty skilled and powerful. Check this out from DX: "Ten days, that’s the amount of time Kosta Koufos spent with the Greek National Team before the Championship started. Only ten days to get to know his teammates, coaches and playbook and merge with them. And just ten days later, he started collecting the MVP award that credits him as the most valuable player in the tournament. Averaging 26.5 points, 13 rebounds, 3.5 blocks or 1.4 steals in almost 35 minutes per game, Koufos delivered an almost unheard of statistical effort in the last decade. Nobody has come close to producing those numbers in junior category since 1996. Actually, nobody except Sani Becirovic and Giorgios Diamantopoulos, both in 1998, can credit a better scoring average. Although already a well-known top prospect, this performance only boosts Koufos’ draft stock. If the draft was held tomorrow, he could end up being a top-5 pick. But he has a whole season ahead of him in Ohio State, and multiple games to, not only showcase his abilities, but also expose his flaws.

You could read more in his profile, which says how he worked hard, how strong and athletic he is, and so on. The bigger point is, scouts thought KoKo was top guy at that time. After he had a decent season in Ohio, they still thought he was a good prospect, but nowhere near top 5. And we are talking about a guy who has better measurements and put together better numbers than Kanter against same competition. Now some think Kanter is a top guy basically based on the same accomplishments. And yes, KoKo was considered skilled, big, athletic, and powerful. The only difference is that Kanter did not play a year in NCAA and actually lost big part of a year in development. Ironically this works to his advantage.
 
Borat said:
Utter poppycock. KoKo against the competition that Kanter played against was plenty skilled and powerful. Check this out from DX: "Ten days, that’s the amount of time Kosta Koufos spent with the Greek National Team before the Championship started. Only ten days to get to know his teammates, coaches and playbook and merge with them. And just ten days later, he started collecting the MVP award that credits him as the most valuable player in the tournament. Averaging 26.5 points, 13 rebounds, 3.5 blocks or 1.4 steals in almost 35 minutes per game, Koufos delivered an almost unheard of statistical effort in the last decade. Nobody has come close to producing those numbers in junior category since 1996. Actually, nobody except Sani Becirovic and Giorgios Diamantopoulos, both in 1998, can credit a better scoring average. Although already a well-known top prospect, this performance only boosts Koufos’ draft stock. If the draft was held tomorrow, he could end up being a top-5 pick. But he has a whole season ahead of him in Ohio State, and multiple games to, not only showcase his abilities, but also expose his flaws.

You could read more in his profile, which says how he worked hard, how strong and athletic he is, and so on. The bigger point is, scouts thought KoKo was top guy at that time. After he had a decent season in Ohio, they still thought he was a good prospect, but nowhere near top 5. And we are talking about a guy who has better measurements and put together better numbers than Kanter against same competition. Now some think Kanter is a top guy basically based on the same accomplishments. And yes, KoKo was considered skilled, big, athletic, and powerful. The only difference is that Kanter did not play a year in NCAA and actually lost big part of a year in development. Ironically this works to his advantage.
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You spent too much time and effort on this post. Go and WATCH their games and tell me they're the same player. Even when I was high on Koufos, I couldn't come away watching his highlights as seeing anything other than he was bigger than everyone on the court and was just punking everyone else. I didn't see very much skill at all to his game, and beyond that, he fell from the lottery to 22 for a reason that year. He'd probably be a top-10 pick this year, though.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You spent too much time and effort on this post. Go and WATCH their games and tell me they're the same player. Even when I was high on Koufos, I couldn't come away watching his highlights as seeing anything other than he was bigger than everyone on the court and was just punking everyone else. I didn't see very much skill at all to his game, and beyond that, he fell from the lottery to 22 for a reason that year. He'd probably be a top-10 pick this year, though.
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Watching highlights is all we got, and this is exactly the reason why there is no way you can make any kind of meaningful conclusion on Kanter. Oh, and on Koufos highlights, KoKo looked pretty good too. Had good jumper on highlights and good post moves. He even knocked down 3 point shots... Making your conclusions based on highlights is a joke. And in case of Kanter, there aren't any games to watch. Not the ones where he competed against half decent guys.
 
Borat said:
Watching highlights is all we got, and this is exactly the reason why there is no way you can make any kind of meaningful conclusion on Kanter. Oh, on Koufos highlights looked pretty good too. He even knocked down 3 point shots... Making your conclusions based on highlights is a joke. And in case of Kanter, there aren't any games to watch. No the ones where he competed against half decent guys.
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Conclusions are just coming from highlights, guy. They are coming from many "experts", "scouts", and "NBA" coaches raving about him.
 
Borat said:
Watching highlights is all we got, and this is exactly the reason why there is no way you can make any kind of meaningful conclusion on Kanter. Oh, and on Koufos highlights, KoKo looked pretty good too. Had good jumper on highlights and good post moves. He even knocked down 3 point shots... Making your conclusions based on highlights is a joke. And in case of Kanter, there aren't any games to watch. Not the ones where he competed against half decent guys.
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I guess you didn't get it again. HOW you score baskets matters as much or more than IF you score them. Koufos didn't display a great SKILL level in anything I saw. Koufos guarded by chairs couldn't show the skill Kanter did against the best players of his age group in the world (Team USA). Koufos' great stroke always looked weird to me, too, and that never turned into an NBA skill either. Koufos was never that strong in his lower body, always had questionable hands, didn't really know how to use his body to create space, and never great footwork.

This is all subjective. There cannot be any statistical analysis. I'm just saying when I saw Koufos in those tournaments he just looked like a giant punking competition. When I watch Kanter at the NHS, I saw a guy overpower and out-smart better competition en route to a scoring record in only 22 minutes.
 
do not remember me KUFOS he is gone, looks like Kanter will be 1 or 2 pick so we take kyre or derrick said O'CONNOR
 
NUMBERICA said:
I guess you didn't get it again. HOW you score baskets matters as much or more than IF you score them. Koufos didn't display a great SKILL level in anything I saw. Koufos guarded by chairs couldn't show the skill Kanter did against the best players of his age group in the world (Team USA). Koufos' great stroke always looked weird to me, too, and that never turned into an NBA skill either. Koufos was never that strong in his lower body, always had questionable hands, didn't really know how to use his body to create space, and never great footwork.

This is all subjective. There cannot be any statistical analysis. I'm just saying when I saw Koufos in those tournaments he just looked like a giant punking competition. When I watch Kanter at the NHS, I saw a guy overpower and out-smart better competition en route to a scoring record in only 22 minutes.
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Yeah, but you watched one all-star type of game with bunch of HS kids in it. In a game like that Thaddeus Young can dominate Durant. Actually, he did. And you are willing to bet #3 pick with nothing but this type of evidence to look at? I think this evidence made Kanter a great recruit to NCAA. But top pick in NBA? That's a tough one to gamble with. Would you really do it if you had #3 pick, the best pick this organization has held in recent memory?
 
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