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Another blow to homeopathy

Weird. I totally thought magic water was a cure for all diseases.
 
Can anyone give me an example of how homeopathy is used?
 
Gameface said:
Sure,

You give me your money and I give you a vial of water.
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From what the article said...... homeopathy seems to mean that someone has symptoms or an illness, and then gets a "medicine" that is similar to that symtom or illness.

So as far as I know, water wouldn't qualify.

It seems that flu shots would be closer to defining a homeopthic treatment (get a dose of the flu, to prevent the flu)
Though that doesn't seem exactly right either.

That's why I'm looking for an example because I have never heard of anyone using this type of method so I don't understand why this is news/controversial/even worthy of having an article written about it.
 
Would chemo be considered homeopathy? (radiation kinda gives the patient similar or worse symptoms that the cancer does)
 
fishonjazz said:
Can anyone give me an example of how homeopathy is used?
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I don't know if it is technically homeopathy, but I use chamomile tea for anxiety and it helped me eliminate a pill. I had a weird friend deep into tea treatments for everything, but as I really dug into it I found out there are quite a few studies that corroborate the effects of tea. Chamomile has been shown in clinical studies to be as effective as many presciption anti-anxiety drugs. Black tea has been shown to help with digestion and help specifically with controlling symptoms of IBS and Crones. White tea has been shown to be effective with mild ADD type disorders.

All I know for sure is since I started drinking chamomile it has helped a lot in controlling anxiety, which is part and parcel with depression often.

Still looking for a good non-drug remedy for depression though. I'm getting tired of cycling through various drugs.
 
fishonjazz said:
Would chemo be considered homeopathy? (radiation kinda gives the patient similar or worse symptoms that the cancer does)
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No that is fully human-derived via chemistry.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I don't know if it is technically homeopathy, but I use chamomile tea for anxiety and it helped me eliminate a pill. I had a weird friend deep into tea treatments for everything, but as I really dug into it I found out there are quite a few studies that corroborate the effects of tea. Chamomile has been shown in clinical studies to be as effective as many presciption anti-anxiety drugs. Black tea has been shown to help with digestion and help specifically with controlling symptoms of IBS and Crones. White tea has been shown to be effective with mild ADD type disorders.

All I know for sure is since I started drinking chamomile it has helped a lot in controlling anxiety, which is part and parcel with depression often.

Still looking for a good non-drug remedy for depression though. I'm getting tired of cycling through various drugs.
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What did you take for anxiety? My wife just got some tramadol for her anxiety, which is a painkiller, which I thought was weird. But my back was killing so I took a few and I felt awesome so hey, what do I know.
 
For those that didn't read the article, the definition of homeopathy is: a system of medicinal practice that treats a disease by the administration of minute doses of a remedy that would in larger amounts produce in healthy persons symptoms similar to those of the disease."

Does tea produce anxiety for healthy people when taken in large amounts? I could see that. Good example by log.

I don't think water qualifies because for healthy people water is neutral or beneficial..... it doesn't cause symptoms of illness and whatnot
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

From Miriam-Webster:

A system for treating illnesses that uses very small amounts of substances that would in larger amounts produce symptoms of the illnesses in healthy people
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Now paging Dalamon to explain it. In lieu, I found this from a hippy website:

A recent clinical trial evaluating homeopathic medicine was a unique study of the treatment of asthma.6 Researchers at the University of Glasgow used conventional allergy testing to discover which substances these asthma patients were most allergic to. Once this was determined, the subjects were randomized into treatment and placebo groups. Those patients chosen for treatment were given the 30c potency of the substance to which they were most allergic (the most common substance was house dust mite). The researchers called this unique method of individualizing remedies "homeopathic immunotherapy" (homeopathic medicines are usually prescribed based on the patient's idiosyncratic symptoms, not on laboratory analysis or diagnostic categories). Subjects in this experiment were evaluated by both homeopathic and conventional physicians.

This study showed that 82% of the patients given a homeopathic medicine improved, while only 38% of patients given a placebo experienced a similar degree of relief. When asked if they felt the patient received the homeopathic medicine or the placebo, both the patients and the doctors tended to guess correctly.
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Here's the link to said hippy site:

https://www.homeopathic.com/Articles/Homeopathic_research/Scientific_Evidence_for_Homeopathic_Medicine.html

The largest, most glaring hole to me is how they don't identify how these patients for sure had asthma. It could have been a bunch of chumps off the street that were like "Yeah, I have trouble breathing, so I must have asthma", or someone that has legitimately gone in and been tested thoroughly.

Misdiagnosis of Asthma seems to be a fairly common thing, even at the physician level. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/1m-people-uk-wrongly-diagnosed-asthma
 
Beer said:
What did you take for anxiety? My wife just got some tramadol for her anxiety, which is a painkiller, which I thought was weird. But my back was killing so I took a few and I felt awesome so hey, what do I know.
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I had several. Tramadol was one of them but it put me in a weird like semi-dream state and I could go days without really sleeping. I had xanax, which actually made me jittery. I tried ativan, but it made my skin feel like it was crawling, literally. I had some valium for a while but it oddly had almost no effect on me. I have had a few SSRIs that helped with both depression and anxiety, but I have found that I have a high-resistance factor or something like that and it makes me cycle through anti-depressants faster than most people, keep narcotics from affecting me unless they are pretty high-dose (10 mg Percocet barely helped with pain, had to take a few at a time, got up to 6 at a time with my last surgery so they cycled me through 3 different pain meds to help keep the doses under control), and that explains why valium had no effect. They even told me that during surgery it took me about twice as long as other people for the sedative to take effect, which is generally nearly instant. In me it took 30 seconds or more.

It was strange how well chamomile tea worked for me all things considered.

Edit: Because of this I have friends who really want to see me try to get drunk. My bet is it would take a lot to do anything to me.
 
fishonjazz said:
For those that didn't read the article, the definition of homeopathy is: a system of medicinal practice that treats a disease by the administration of minute doses of a remedy that would in larger amounts produce in healthy persons symptoms similar to those of the disease."

Does tea produce anxiety for healthy people when taken in large amounts? I could see that. Good example by log.

I don't think water qualifies because for healthy people water is neutral or beneficial..... it doesn't cause symptoms of illness and whatnot
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They take that substance that would cause similar symptoms and dilute it in water or alcohol over and over again until there is essentially no traceable amount of the substance in the solution. Then that "dilution" (aka water) is taken and treats the symptoms. It is 100% not real.
 
Everyone should try some chamomile tea with 2 teaspoons of orange blossom honey (real orange blossom honey not flavored). Good stuff.
 
Gameface said:
They take that substance that would cause similar symptoms and dilute it in water or alcohol over and over again until there is essentially no traceable amount of the substance in the solution. Then that "dilution" (aka water) is taken and treats the symptoms. It is 100% not real.
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In fact, the more diluted it is (worthless), the better they claim it should work! Out of all the ******** health trends liberals eat up, that one got to be the most hilarious. I am always reminded by this homeopathic "flu medicine" they sell at Sprouts. They have a disclaimer on the shelf that says 5% of proceeds go to charity. Haha. 5% of a $30 vial of water. How generous. Someone give those people the Noble Prize already!
 
LogGrad98 said:
I don't know if it is technically homeopathy, but I use chamomile tea for anxiety and it helped me eliminate a pill. I had a weird friend deep into tea treatments for everything, but as I really dug into it I found out there are quite a few studies that corroborate the effects of tea. Chamomile has been shown in clinical studies to be as effective as many presciption anti-anxiety drugs. Black tea has been shown to help with digestion and help specifically with controlling symptoms of IBS and Crones. White tea has been shown to be effective with mild ADD type disorders.

All I know for sure is since I started drinking chamomile it has helped a lot in controlling anxiety, which is part and parcel with depression often.

Still looking for a good non-drug remedy for depression though. I'm getting tired of cycling through various drugs.
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That's not homeopathy. That's just an herbal remedy. Homeopathy would be if someone told you that touching the chamomile to the cup is more effective than actually making a tea out of it.
 
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ElRoach0 said:
Here's the link to said hippy site:

https://www.homeopathic.com/Articles/Homeopathic_research/Scientific_Evidence_for_Homeopathic_Medicine.html

The largest, most glaring hole to me is how they don't identify how these patients for sure had asthma. It could have been a bunch of chumps off the street that were like "Yeah, I have trouble breathing, so I must have asthma", or someone that has legitimately gone in and been tested thoroughly.

Misdiagnosis of Asthma seems to be a fairly common thing, even at the physician level. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/28/1m-people-uk-wrongly-diagnosed-asthma
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This is nonsense. Immunotherapy is know to be effective method of treating allergies for years. There is nothing homeopathic in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allergen_immunotherapy
 
MVP said:
This is nonsense. Immunotherapy is know to be effective method of treating allergies for years. There is nothing homeopathic in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allergen_immunotherapy
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What'd I miss, and where did I indicate they were treating allergies?

They were treating asthma with a low doses of what the "asthma patients" were ALLERGIC to because Allergy and Asthma can be pretty close symptomatically.

Can you clarify for me please?
 
ElRoach0 said:
What'd I miss, and where did I indicate they were treating allergies?

They were treating asthma with a low doses of what the "asthma patients" were ALLERGIC to because Allergy and Asthma can be pretty close symptomatically.

Can you clarify for me please?
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Asthma is allergic disease. There is huge group of allergies. Some of them will affect gastrointestinal system ( for example inflammatory bowel disease ), some respiratory ( asthma), some skin ( atopy) . They are all allergies at the end of the day.
 
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