Another shooting... California Disability Centre

[babe]

Just out of interest, has any of you (or somebody you know) who currently have guns been able to stop a robber or a perpetrator from harming you or your family using YOUR own guns?

yes.

and a dog has saved my life, too.

 

[The Midnight]

hunting is fine, i have no issue with that at all, and those here wanting to hunt recreationally can obtain a permit to do so. As far as criminals still getting guns, sure of course that's gonna happen, because they have the motives and knowledge of how to access them. But that is different to a mentally disturbed person who can so easily obtain a gun there to go on a mass shooting.

I can certainly identify with the instinct of wanting to be able to defend one's family, but i just don't see that a culture of everyone having reasonably easy access to weapons doesn't lead to a lot more deaths that wouldn't be the case otherwise. As far as mass shootings go, has there been any documented cases of an armed member of the public intervening and stopping a rampaging shooter from killing even more people than they otherwise would have ? (serious q btw, i actually don't know ?? )

Good post.

 

[Harambe]

yes.

and a dog has saved my life, too.

You must be quite the d*ck. I've never had anyone threaten my life, nor come close to make me think if I had a gun I'd be better off.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just out of interest, has any of you (or somebody you know) who currently have guns been able to stop a robber or a perpetrator from harming you or your family using YOUR own guns?

I have not stopped anyone with my guns yet

 

[Harambe]

Your addiction argument is one of the weakest I've heard. So you think someone with the mindset of walking into a crowded room and opening fire gives two ****s what the penalties are?

Absolutely not. That's why you stop them from having that opportunity in the first place. When they're purchasing is when you have a chance for logic to intervene.

Which makes the argument sound.

 

[one eye]

Absolutely not. That's why you stop them from having that opportunity in the first place. When they're purchasing is when you have a chance for logic to intervene.

Which makes the argument sound.

America is a very unique case. There are around 300 million firearms in circulation in the United States. 300 million, can you fathom that number? 300 million guns with many people of which are not going to be willing to give them up. So tell me what weapons do you want off the street, explain the regulations that will prevent mass shootings in a nation that now has almost as many guns circulating as citizens? Americas gun case is nothing like Australia's. Obama has been the best thing that ever happened to gun and ammunition manaufacters. They can't keep many things on the shelf. What that tells me is that taking guns from a Americans is going to be much more difficult, and much harder to enforce. Americans have been told we are the free, and when they see a freedom threatened as you can see they entrench themselves more in not giving up that freedom. All this gun control talk has done is put more weapons on the street. In November of this year the FBI conducted over 2.2 million background checks, over 185,000 alone on Black Friday, and we are headed for a record gun sale year. I'm sorry but I don't believe Americans will willingly part with their second amendment, and insignificant regulations such as assault weapon bans or magazine capacity limits will only put more of the wrong equipment in the wrong hands.

 

[one eye]

It was pretty much well received apart from a small minority, but as it followed an awful mass shooting carried out with an automatic assault weapon by a very mentally deficient person it wasn't a real contentious issue. The fact that the government bought back any such weapons softened the blow for those involved. The overwhelming majority of people were happy to accept that the average person has no need for an automatic or semi automatic assault type weapon.

Lo and behold since that time which is coming up on 20 years no such mass shootings .... and people with legitimate reason to own a firearm - sporting/hunting or those on farms etc still can gain permits to own appropriate weapons.

I just can't see any way to deal with it there tho, there's just waaaaay too many weapons in circulation.

All I will say is America is not Australia, and our population, diversity, and culture is not going to result in a similar result in my opinion if what has been instituted their is instituted here. I don't want guns falling into the wrong hands either, but we have 325 million people and 300 million firearms spread across a nation much larger with a variety of different settings. I don't believe the premise of the idea that we should gather up the firearms, but I also don't even believe it can be achieved in a way to stop what we are trying to stop here.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

All I will say is America is not Australia, and our population, diversity, and culture is not going to result in a similar result in my opinion if what has been instituted their is instituted here. I don't want guns falling into the wrong hands either, but we have 325 million people and 300 million firearms spread across a nation much larger with a variety of different settings. I don't believe the premise of the idea that we should gather up the firearms, but I also don't even believe it can be achieved in a way to stop what we are trying to stop here.

which is why i've said it's pointless to even try, the horse has bolted so there's no point in trying to shut the gate.

 

[The Midnight]

All I will say is America is not Australia, and our population, diversity, and culture is not going to result in a similar result in my opinion if what has been instituted their is instituted here. I don't want guns falling into the wrong hands either, but we have 325 million people and 300 million firearms spread across a nation much larger with a variety of different settings. I don't believe the premise of the idea that we should gather up the firearms, but I also don't even believe it can be achieved in a way to stop what we are trying to stop here.

So... if it's in the 'too hard basket' then let's forget about it? Ok...

 

[The Midnight]

Gun Maker Smith & Wesson triples profits in three months to October

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35047899

Some analysts have said the surge in gun sales across the US is due to growing crime rates together with worries over restrictions on gun ownership - particularly in the wake of mass shooting incidents in the country.

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"The [number one] driver of firearms sales is fear," Brian Ruttenbur, an analyst at BB&T Capital Markets, told Bloomberg.

 

[babe]

You must be quite the d*ck. I've never had anyone threaten my life, nor come close to make me think if I had a gun I'd be better off.

pretty cool demonstration of intelligence, bro. stuff like that goes with having something, or being something, that people will notice.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

It would take much more effort for a muslim couple to kill as many as 14 and wound 17 fully grown adults with knives and bats though...

They would still use guns and bombs. Anybody who thinks that banning guns is going to keep them out of the hands of terrorists is insane. The clips they had were illegal. That didn't stop them from using them. All of the pipe bombs in their possession were illegal. Do you think that deterred them at all? I'm sure they didn't care.