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I'd like to see a breakdown of how many individuals purchased how many weapons, and where, before I even consider that to be evidence of a resistance so great laws can't curb it.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/politics/btn-guns-in-america/index.html

Here are some other figures:

34% of Americans own firearms. 1 in 3

In 2013 only 25% of people supported a gun ban. A record low.

In the northeast 27% of households own a forearm. Lowest in the country.

A 2012 gallup poll showed Americans increasingly supporting stricter gun laws (58%)as opposed to a ban.
 

The largest increase in firearm sales, by year was long gun (rifle or shotgun). Because there is not a breakdown of assault rifles vs hunting rifles, there's a huge hole there. The category "Other" only increased 8 thousand nationwide, handgun and long gun remained the same.

Overall, 19M firearm background checks this year, compared to 20M last year, and in 2013, 19M in 2012, and 16M in 2011. So, you're on par for last year? At best?
 
https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/politics/btn-guns-in-america/index.html

Here are some other figures:

34% of Americans own firearms. 1 in 3

In 2013 only 25% of people supported a gun ban. A record low.

In the northeast 27% of households own a forearm. Lowest in the country.

A 2012 gallup poll showed Americans increasingly supporting stricter gun laws (58%)as opposed to a ban.

A near four year old gallup poll, and 33% ownership(yes or no).

This is hardly convincing.
 
The largest increase in firearm sales, by year was long gun (rifle or shotgun). Because there is not a breakdown of assault rifles vs hunting rifles, there's a huge hole there. The category "Other" only increased 8 thousand nationwide, handgun and long gun remained the same.

Overall, 19M firearm background checks this year, compared to 20M last year, and in 2013, 19M in 2012, and 16M in 2011. So, you're on par for last year? At best?

Right so firearm sales are still surging to what could be on pace for what was a record year last year, or a new record this year. I agree I wish it broke down the long rifle area and I'm sure it does somewhere. I just wonder how many of those 19 million guns won't be used in a crime, something tells me the overwhelming majority.
 
A near four year old gallup poll, and 33% ownership(yes or no).

This is hardly convincing.

I was not trying to prove one way or the other. Just what I found real fast on my phone.

I recently read that Americans have bought enough guns this year to completely arm the Marine Corp. Not sure if that is true or not.
 
I wonder what an average American think about purchasing a gun to protect oneself? How about a single mom living with two kids? How about an old lady living by herself. Or maybe a young couple who are just about to settle down with their first jobs? Are these people comfortable having guns and using them?


I still think there is a better way to 'collectively' protect these vulnerable people than to arm them.

well, collectivists agree on one thing at a time. When they are in the majority they agree to have their way. When they are in the minority they agree to have their way anyway, if the majority will let them.

Franklin is bored with this stupidity. Collectivism under any name. . . socialism, communism, progressivism, whatever. . . . is the theory that minorities actually have no rights. Since collectivists believe they are a higher breed of human, they disparage the minorities so long as they have the majority, in their opinion, or for so long as the newspapers and media will honk their horn for them.

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for lunch. Liberty is some well-armed sheep.

I know you are not actually a free human, OL, the concept is unknown to you as a contented subject of the Queen. Throughout the British Commonwealth there is a stable order in society, but it was achieved by the nobles putting a few hobbles on the King/Queen. The Magna Carta guarantees some basic human rights, and trials in courts before juries of their peers. But it is principally still standing, so far as it is, because the lesser nobles are protecting their own dominions through their seats in The House of Lords. Not elected officials there.

An actual free human with a sense of liberty expects to have a say in his government.

The elites would not give a damn about little people shooting one another, or some lunatic shooting up a little public gathering. The idea of reducing the population overburden on earth resources is a larger consideration today. The only reason they pay their media lapdogs to snarl about the shootings is because "Fortress America" is the biggest nuisance to their unfettered dominions over the whole earth.

They don't mind having armies with guns, or planes with bombs, or drones with bombs, are nuclear aircraft carriers or any other weapon of mass destruction. But a rag-tag populace with little pea shooters annoys the hell outta them.

I know a lot of pretty nice folks like OL are impressed with the pretended humanitarianism and the jacked-up statistics that say a gun buyback will make the world safe for elite governance. But the idea of superior management classes is repugnant to traditional. . . that is to say, "real" Americans, the Americans who hold individual liberty up as a higher value than a well-managed community. Human Liberty has a price: Tolerance of imperfection, respect for individual choice.

A lot of folks rely on guns for their safety. A hungry cougar in an isolated place is a threat to human life. A good dog will be some deterrent, two or three makes you pretty safe. But some people can't keep dogs, and they have a right to carry the weapon of their choice.

It is not something we can allow "collectivists" to regulate. It's none of your business.
 
well, collectivists agree on one thing at a time. When they are in the majority they agree to have their way. When they are in the minority they agree to have their way anyway, if the majority will let them.

Franklin is bored with this stupidity. Collectivism under any name. . . socialism, communism, progressivism, whatever. . . . is the theory that minorities actually have no rights. Since collectivists believe they are a higher breed of human, they disparage the minorities so long as they have the majority, in their opinion, or for so long as the newspapers and media will honk their horn for them.

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for lunch. Liberty is some well-armed sheep.

I know you are not actually a free human, OL, the concept is unknown to you as a contented subject of the Queen. Throughout the British Commonwealth there is a stable order in society, but it was achieved by the nobles putting a few hobbles on the King/Queen. The Magna Carta guarantees some basic human rights, and trials in courts before juries of their peers. But it is principally still standing, so far as it is, because the lesser nobles are protecting their own dominions through their seats in The House of Lords. Not elected officials there.

An actual free human with a sense of liberty expects to have a say in his government.

The elites would not give a damn about little people shooting one another, or some lunatic shooting up a little public gathering. The idea of reducing the population overburden on earth resources is a larger consideration today. The only reason they pay their media lapdogs to snarl about the shootings is because "Fortress America" is the biggest nuisance to their unfettered dominions over the whole earth.

They don't mind having armies with guns, or planes with bombs, or drones with bombs, are nuclear aircraft carriers or any other weapon of mass destruction. But a rag-tag populace with little pea shooters annoys the hell outta them.

I know a lot of pretty nice folks like OL are impressed with the pretended humanitarianism and the jacked-up statistics that say a gun buyback will make the world safe for elite governance. But the idea of superior management classes is repugnant to traditional. . . that is to say, "real" Americans, the Americans who hold individual liberty up as a higher value than a well-managed community. Human Liberty has a price: Tolerance of imperfection, respect for individual choice.

A lot of folks rely on guns for their safety. A hungry cougar in an isolated place is a threat to human life. A good dog will be some deterrent, two or three makes you pretty safe. But some people can't keep dogs, and they have a right to carry the weapon of their choice.

It is not something we can allow "collectivists" to regulate. It's none of your business.

dude .. you do know Australia and New Zealand completely elect all their own representatives and that the British Monarchy is merely a figurehead probably to be abandoned before too long ??
 
dude .. you do know Australia and New Zealand completely elect all their own representatives and that the British Monarchy is merely a figurehead probably to be abandoned before too long ??

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

If you don't know who this individual is please do some research.
 
Babe hit the nail on this subject, we're back to the pre Independece War years, except it's an economical invasion. To be honest I don't see any short term solution to this. As babe stated very accurately America is the last stand for fighting back against the powers that want to end the concept of 'sovereign nations'. It amazes me how people think that a revolution of the People cannot happen in this day and age. People in the 30's thought that World War II was crazy talk, yet it happened.

Let's not be so frivolous about this subject. The notion of banning guns in America is not a game for kids, it's irresponsible, it has the potential of putting the lives of many people in danger and it would have ugly consequences.
 
Babe hit the nail on this subject, we're back to the pre Independece War years, except it's an economical invasion. To be honest I don't see any short term solution to this. As babe stated very accurately America is the last stand for fighting back against the powers that want to end the concept of 'sovereign nations'. It amazes me how people think that a revolution of the People cannot happen in this day and age. People in the 30's thought that World War II was crazy talk, yet it happened.

Let's not be so frivolous about this subject. The notion of banning guns in America is not a game for kids, it's irresponsible, it has the potential of putting the lives of many people in danger and it would have ugly consequences.

ok so let me see if i understand you ...Foreign powers who control financing are threatening the independence of the United States or any other sovereign nation by stealth. Any kind of measures relating to gun control would covertly weaken the independence of such countries, the gun bearing citizens of said countries being the only real free people who would represent the last stand of free willed people on the earth. Taking away the guns of these good folk would lead to bloodshed and mass slaughter of such citizens attempting to fight for their rights as free people. Kindof like you're Sector 13 fighting to maintain freedom from the ruthless dictators of Panem who control not only the financial system and therefore control everyones lives but god forbid impose their awful fashion sense ??
 
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