Another victim of no bad breeds mentality

[babe]

just tying this thread back together. . . .

The push for the ideal of "no bad breeds" seems to have "progressive" roots. Even Obama has weighed in on the issue, saying ordinances that are breed-specific are bad. . . .

Too bad the progressives won't admit there are "no bad citizens", as well, and make room for actual citizens with personal rights. . . . . even if they snarl at political correctness or the pet causes du jour.

 

[Stoked]

just tying this thread back together. . . .

The push for the ideal of "no bad breeds" seems to have "progressive" roots. Even Obama has weighed in on the issue, saying ordinances that are breed-specific are bad. . . .

Too bad the progressives won't admit there are "no bad citizens", as well, and make room for actual citizens with personal rights. . . . . even if they snarl at political correctness or the pet causes du jour.

lol That's me. But the reason I take most of my stance (or at least try to) is on the grounds of personal liberty.

 

[babe]

To me what is more interesting is at what point/level does the wishes of a society trump the wishes of an individual person.

Let's say that banning pitbulls is a good idea. Should it be done nationally? state by state? COunty by county or at the individual city and town levels?

Why should people in MA ot TX decide what kind of dog a person in FL or AZ can have? Or people in LA decide what kind of dog a person in Fresno can have?

The "no bad breeds" idea has correlations with folks who think racism is bad as a general principle.

Dog breeding is the art of selecting for some useful or desired qualities in dogs. Interesting to note how the British gentry has been the most influential source of dog breeds worldwide. The very idea of superior traits or desired attributes in a living thing is about the exact definition of racism, but they won't acknowledge that is what it is. . . .

the idea of the existence of some "good" cannot be expressed without the inference that there is some kind of "bad". In nature, it might be theorized that survival and propagation are the relevant issues, and that these are determined by the circumstances holding in the context. . . . but I would argue that every form or life involves some cognition and some action following that "intelligence".

Some insects employ farm methods, managing "useful" helpers the way we manage cattle. . . . . Are these insects criminal? Should there be a law against such exploitation????

No.

Let people decide what they want their animals to be, and government just leave us the hell alone. But since we will have "government", and people will want one thing or another, I say the more local the decision, the better. Let the British gentry cultivate their little misfit monsters, and let the illegal immigrants' subculture cultivate theirs. . . . their fighting dogs, their buzzed roosters, whatever. . . . Why can't the corporatist elites let the downtrodden masses have hellfire biting dogs behind their doors in the ghetto??? They have their cops and swat teams. Fair's fair I say.

 

[Stoked]

The "no bad breeds" idea has correlations with folks who think racism is bad as a general principle.

Dog breeding is the art of selecting for some useful or desired qualities in dogs. Interesting to note how the British gentry has been the most influential source of dog breeds worldwide. The very idea of superior traits or desired attributes in a living thing is about the exact definition of racism, but they won't acknowledge that is what it is. . . .

the idea of the existence of some "good" cannot be expressed without the inference that there is some kind of "bad". In nature, it might be theorized that survival and propagation are the relevant issues, and that these are determined by the circumstances holding in the context. . . . but I would argue that every form or life involves some cognition and some action following that "intelligence".

Some insects employ farm methods, managing "useful" helpers the way we manage cattle. . . . . Are these insects criminal? Should there be a law against such exploitation????

No.

Let people decide what they want their animals to be, and government just leave us the hell alone. But since we will have "government", and people will want one thing or another, I say the more local the decision, the better. Let the British gentry cultivate their little misfit monsters, and let the illegal immigrants' subculture cultivate theirs. . . . their fighting dogs, their buzzed roosters, whatever. . . . Why can't the corporatist elites let the downtrodden masses have hellfire biting dogs behind their doors in the ghetto??? They have their cops and swat teams. Fair's fair I say.

I am all for letting people own any kind of dog they want. I am all for personal rights and being able to live how you want as long as you care for you and your own. (obvious limitations/laws excluded)

I was just going with the principle of, at what point is people interfering with other people acceptable and at what point is it not.

 

[babe]

btw, that would be a sic (sic) - maybe even a sick sic (sic)

telling a sick dog to attack??? that's wmd category biological warfare, covered in the war crimes section of the rules civilized nations have codified for particularly conspicuous contempt exhibitions of power.

 

[babe]

I am all for letting people own any kind of dog they want. I am all for personal rights and being able to live how you want as long as you care for you and your own. (obvious limitations/laws excluded)

I was just going with the principle of, at what point is people interfering with other people acceptable and at what point is it not.

I had noticed your drift, but thought I had that answered with the elitists who train cops and swat teams and other mentally-compromised species to conduct routine depredations on the trailertrash they see us as. . . .

me, I want me my wolf/malemute honeybunch that will literally disarm anyone who frowns at me across my threshold. . . .

I'm sure my ghettomates like their rotts and fight dogs for much the same reason. The occasional kid that shoots himself or runs in terror from a snarling household guardian-god seems like a small price to pay considering what happens to kids when the DCFS snatches them and puts them in foster care and drugs the spirit outta them with high doses of meth analogs. . . . .

my wife, however, is terrified at mere Ger Sheps and won't have such a self-respecting intelligent male in her house who can see the difference between a clan member and an intruder, so of course we have a Golden Retriever. . . . .

damn dog would wag her tail and kiss a pack of armed honchos playing the policestate game.

But, seriously, the beauty of local governance involving actual citizen participation, is that you will get a real variety of governance lifeforms. . . a sort of governmental biodiversity paradise. . . . where people can move to places they like and keep things the way they like them. . . . .

And governments would correspondingly morph into good house pets who would mind our rules. . . . .

 

[green]

How is all of this punished? Is the dog put down and that's all? Or is the owner of the dog charged with assault, etc, as if the owner had done the attacking?

 

[Stoked]

I had noticed your drift, but thought I had that answered with the elitists who train cops and swat teams and other mentally-compromised species to conduct routine depredations on the trailertrash they see us as. . . .

me, I want me my wolf/malemute honeybunch that will literally disarm anyone who frowns at me across my threshold. . . .

I'm sure my ghettomates like their rotts and fight dogs for much the same reason. The occasional kid that shoots himself or runs in terror from a snarling household guardian-god seems like a small price to pay considering what happens to kids when the DCFS snatches them and puts them in foster care and drugs the spirit outta them with high doses of meth analogs. . . . .

my wife, however, is terrified at mere Ger Sheps and won't have such a self-respecting intelligent male in her house who can see the difference between a clan member and an intruder, so of course we have a Golden Retriever. . . . .

damn dog would wag her tail and kiss a pack of armed honchos playing the policestate game.

But, seriously, the beauty of local governance involving actual citizen participation, is that you will get a real variety of governance lifeforms. . . a sort of governmental biodiversity paradise. . . . where people can move to places they like and keep things the way they like them. . . . .

And governments would correspondingly morph into good house pets who would mind our rules. . . . .

Smart woman. I don't like them either. Only dog breed I try to avoid. Personal history.

 

[LogGrad98]

That right there is where we differ. You think it is his way and I think it is his act. But it's all good. He has as much right to post what he wants as you and I do.

Lots of people here have acts, played out on the stage for their amusement or the amusement of others. I guess as long as it is all entertaining it's all good, right? But you shouldn't be shocked in the least that there are posters who do nothing but try to pull the wool over other's eyes, with the purpose of mocking them. You see it every day.

 

[Stoked]

Lots of people here have acts, played out on the stage for their amusement or the amusement of others. I guess as long as it is all entertaining it's all good, right? But you shouldn't be shocked in the least that there are posters who do nothing but try to pull the wool over other's eyes, with the purpose of mocking them. You see it every day.

Yes we do see it everyday. It is most certainly not just a Franklin kick. Though I would venture to say that he is by far the most consistent with it at the level he does it as. Others tend to be more mocking and joking.

 

[franklin]

Stoked, it's not my fault you're too thick-skulled to understand what anyone writes, or to convey your ideas in an understandable way. You'll notice I don't have an issue discussing ideas with the smarter posters on board (I'm not one of them), but apparently what I write is over your head so far that your envy has you on my balls over and over and over again.

You're an idiot & that's life. Deal with it, bitch.

 

[fishonjazz]

Stoked, it's not my fault you're too thick-skulled to understand what anyone writes, or to convey your ideas in an understandable way. You'll notice I don't have an issue discussing ideas with the smarter posters on board (I'm not one of them), but apparently what I write is over your head so far that your envy has you on my balls over and over and over again.

You're an idiot & that's life. Deal with it, bitch.

Frank, were you at the jazz game last night?