Another victim of religion controlled society is sentenced to life in prison

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Farmington • The mother of one of the three teenage boys who had sexual encounters with former Davis High School teacher Brianne Altice lamented that society often applies a double standard when a female teacher has sex with male students — and the boys are not seen as victims.

But she emphasized at Altice's sentencing hearing on Thursday that her son and the other two boys were victimized when Altice had inappropriate relationships with them. They have been damaged, she said, psychologically and emotionally.

"I can tell you, unequivocally, that these boys are victims," the tearful woman said in 2nd District Court. "They will be affected by this unlawful relationship throughout their lives."

I mean, just wow! Can you believe this judge and parent? These boys will be emotionally harm for life because hot teacher makes nightly dream come true? This mother, I cannot believe she speaks. Her boy will not receive harm. She is mad he can no longer fulfill mission and bring souls to her god. This is what this is about. She probably has underage sex and has guilt or something. Just shake my head 30-45 year prison for this. I think I might leave the Utah because absurd religious controls.

 

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Bow chicka bow wow

 

[LogGrad98]

fish get in here and post that poop emoji thing. That should about top this thread off.

 

[Stoked]

Wow shes hot.

 

[babe]

I mean, just wow! Can you believe this judge and parent? These boys will be emotionally harm for life because hot teacher makes nightly dream come true? This mother, I cannot believe she speaks. Her boy will not receive harm. She is mad he can no longer fulfill mission and bring souls to her god. This is what this is about. She probably has underage sex and has guilt or something. Just shake my head 30-45 year prison for this. I think I might leave the Utah because absurd religious controls.

The victim pursued her persistently.

I don't think the penalty fits the crime in this case. Well, I wasn't at the trial and don't know much, nothing about the other two boys. But huge, I hope your female high school teachers have sense enough not to listen to you.

 

[colton]

I mean, just wow! Can you believe this judge and parent? These boys will be emotionally harm for life because hot teacher makes nightly dream come true? This mother, I cannot believe she speaks. Her boy will not receive harm. She is mad he can no longer fulfill mission and bring souls to her god. This is what this is about. She probably has underage sex and has guilt or something. Just shake my head 30-45 year prison for this. I think I might leave the Utah because absurd religious controls.

First, it's a 30 year sentence, which probably means she'll serve 20 years max, not a life sentence. (I agree that that still seems a little harsh based on what I know of the situation, but not as harsh as your title was saying.)

Second, she pled guilty to "second-degree felony forcible sexual abuse". This isn't necessarily just a statutory consensual sex thing as your post implied. I don't know the specifics of what she pled guilty to, but based on the crime title I'm guessing she used her position of power to coerce the young men. Or maybe some were consensual and some were coerced.

Third, this newspaper article, https://www.sltrib.com/home/2712842-155/former-teacher-brianne-altice-to-be?page=2, says that "Two of the students have since sued the Davis County School District, alleging the district was negligent in hiring and retaining Altice. One of those lawsuits has since been dismissed at the request of the victim's attorneys, according to court records." That makes it sound that at least one of the young men wasn't happy about what took place, reinforcing the idea that it wasn't truly consensual.

Fourth, do you have a double-standard? In your opinion what should the penalty be if a 36 year old male teacher were to coerce several 16 and 17 year old female students from his class into sexual relationships?

 

[RandyForRubio]

I mean, just looking at her and knowing how I was as a high school male, I don't think she was forcing anybody to have sex with her. With that said, it's still illegal and she should know better as an authority figure for these kids.

Buuuuut we live in a society that promotes sex more than anything else, should we actually be surprised at this? We're telling our middle school kids that it's ok to have sex, often. This is a problem.

 

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First, it's a 30 year sentence, which probably means she'll serve 20 years max, not a life sentence. (I agree that that still seems a little harsh based on what I know of the situation, but not as harsh as your title was saying.)

Second, she pled guilty to "second-degree felony forcible sexual abuse". This isn't necessarily just a statutory consensual sex thing as your post implied. I don't know the specifics of what she pled guilty to, but based on the crime title I'm guessing she used her position of power to coerce the young men. Or maybe some were consensual and some were coerced.

Third, this newspaper article, https://www.sltrib.com/home/2712842-155/former-teacher-brianne-altice-to-be?page=2, says that "Two of the students have since sued the Davis County School District, alleging the district was negligent in hiring and retaining Altice. One of those lawsuits has since been dismissed at the request of the victim's attorneys, according to court records." That makes it sound that at least one of the young men wasn't happy about what took place, reinforcing the idea that it wasn't truly consensual.

Fourth, do you have a double-standard? In your opinion what should the penalty be if a 36 year old male teacher were to coerce several 16 and 17 year old female students from his class into sexual relationships?

Okay well this is all conjecture. You admit you do not know details.

You should know many impregnant women claim rape to keep from shame by parents? Why you think after hearing that mothers words that young LDS men will not claim same thing? Do you have double standard?

No I do not have double standard I have separate standard for men and women. Different hormones different risks (women carry much higher std risk and pregnancy burden is obvious) so yes I do have separate standard. Why you feel it is necessary to conflate two separate situation? This is not how justice system works.

 

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Okay well I have issue with you claim plead guilty is admittance of guilt. It is not. Attorney in this instances tells clients to play up sorry card to earn the sympathy the jury. This requires plead guilty to charge yes?

Young man claims forcibly sex because mother want him on mission. You cannot go to mission if you have sex. Rape is not sex. So He claims forcible.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Schools handing out condoms and courts handing out sentencing.

 

[Stoked]

Not going to lie. Had a teacher named Ms. Jumper. I would have if she'd approached me. I would not have felt like I was a victim either.

Still bad and should not be allowed or go unpunished.

 

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Boss stoked why does society think they will stop children from sex by putting stupid age law? I do not care if fourteen years girl bangs fourteen years guy or 37 years guy. Same result. Only difference is religion morality trying to prevent with solution that does not work. You raise a slut she will bang somebody. Might as well let old people get there kicks as well.

Age of consent is cultural which mean it is irrational and silly.

 

[franklin]

Not going to lie. Had a teacher named Ms. Jumper. I would have if she'd approached me. I would not have felt like I was a victim either.

Still bad and should not be allowed or go unpunished.

That's kinda how I approach these. Abusing power and all of that, but I agree with boobs that the punishments in these cases has gotten out of control. That ***** case in Florida a few months back, how did that verdict go? I don't think I know anyone who would consider the older girl a sex offender, or anything more than a horny young girl.

I mean, just looking at her and knowing how I was as a high school male, I don't think she was forcing anybody to have sex with her. With that said, it's still illegal and she should know better as an authority figure for these kids.

Buuuuut we live in a society that promotes sex more than anything else, should we actually be surprised at this? We're telling our middle school kids that it's ok to have sex, often. This is a problem.

You must have had low standards as a kid. This chick looks nasty to me. If you think skinny, blonde, does hair and makeup and wears decent clothes is all that matters then feast your heart out.

 

[Stoked]

That's kinda how I approach these. Abusing power and all of that, but I agree with boobs that the punishments in these cases has gotten out of control. That ***** case in Florida a few months back, how did that verdict go? I don't think I know anyone who would consider the older girl a sex offender, or anything more than a horny young girl.




You must have had low standards as a kid. This chick looks nasty to me. If you think skinny, blonde, does hair and makeup and wears decent clothes is all that matters then feast your heart out.

In many of the cases where the woman is the older partner it has been shown that the kid pursued them for a lengthy time before they finally gave in. That needs to be taken into consideration.

I agree that she is not my type either but as a teenage boy I doubt any of us are that picky.

 

[LogGrad98]

That's kinda how I approach these. Abusing power and all of that, but I agree with boobs that the punishments in these cases has gotten out of control. That ***** case in Florida a few months back, how did that verdict go? I don't think I know anyone who would consider the older girl a sex offender, or anything more than a horny young girl.




You must have had low standards as a kid. This chick looks nasty to me. If you think skinny, blonde, does hair and makeup and wears decent clothes is all that matters then feast your heart out.

Glad you mentioned this.

Am I the only one who thinks the disproportionate power levels are a far far bigger deal than the age difference?


As far as that last part not many people look good in court.

 

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In many of the cases where the woman is the older partner it has been shown that the kid pursued them for a lengthy time before they finally gave in. That needs to be taken into consideration.

I agree that she is not my type either but as a teenage boy I doubt any of us are that picky.

Exactly. This teacher because she is hot was probably sexually harassed for years before developing Stockholm syndrome to her class. Then she breaks and does what the class tells her and then LDS another pretends appalled and then because she has Stockholms and is told she abused her master and because lawyer tells her she pleads guilty.

Who is getting abused and who is the abuser? They never ask you this question in religion controlled society

 

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Glad you mentioned this.

Am I the only one who thinks the disproportionate power levels are a far far bigger deal than the age difference?


As far as that last part not many people look good in court.

What does power have to do with it? Varsity captain has no social power over freshman girl? They make some arbitrary age law and pretend power difference does not exist in society all the time. This is typical liberal logic. They want world where everything is always and forever fair and equal. Guess what. There is always power of some men over women and women over men. This arbitrary line is puzzling.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I dont think anyone is blaming the kid for this, or should be Most high school boys would have sex with her, its the adult that is supposed to say no.

If this was one of your daughters in this situation most of you would be going after the guy with an axe for abusing your daughter. Even if the guy was "hot" you would feel the same. The attractiveness of the abuser is not important.

How does it change because it was a boy and not a girl being abused? It doesnt and it shouldnt.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Also attractiveness has nothing or very little to do with Rape.

It is about control, dominance or power, which is what this women was doing when she raped this kid.

 

[babe]

Also attractiveness has nothing or very little to do with Rape.

It is about control, dominance or power, which is what this women was doing when she raped this kid.

I guess I just don't see it this way. She looks like someone who has been abused to me. We just don't know her history, her uncles, her dad, her husband. . .. she was having a bad marriage at home. I don't what that was about, but my guess would be the other way from yours. And yes, you're guessing. Maybe relying on the verdict, the age, the credentials for your clues. But this woman really looks like a victim somehow, to me.