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There are many groups that are treated as outcasts, bullied, and estranged but none have the suicide rate the transgender do. Your hypothesis does not match the data.

I agree, within limits, of letting parents raise their kids. The restrictions I favor are on schools and medical professionals.

I'm not sure your first point is universally true.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/#acps13164-bib-0028

Quotes the various suicide rates in the Netherlands from 2013-2017 as (I cannot read Dutch so cannot check their source):

43/100k trans women
34/100k trans men
15/100k cis men
7/100k cis women

I'm almost certain there are sub groups of men with rates in the range of trans individuals in the Dutch population.
 
You also don't cure OCD by affirming obsessive-compulsive behavior and encouraging even more extreme obsessive-compulsive behavior. The treatment you advocate for biological males identifying as transgender is inhumane.
In fact, OCD is pretty resistant to cures overall. For many people, you make OCD more livable by accepting their status of OCD and working with them to deal with the results of it. Much like you can't "cure" trans people by having them no longer be trans, instead you need to give them the tools to live with it.

Making people suffer to support your comfortable lie is inhumane. Further, there's no reason to bring the untruth of "biological male" into this conversation except to erase the reality of being trans. You are engaging in hate rhetoric.
 
Agreed. Suicide rates are high for trans people, and data doesn't show that hormone treatment or surgery lowers the rate.
To my understanding, this is a version of Simpson's paradox, or something like it. It's much like people who are on depression medication are more depressed than people who are not, even though depression medication is highly effective.
 
In biology, the difference between biological males and biological females is in the organic structures that produce gametes. No one here has yet explained how that is incorrect because it is not incorrect.
Circular logic is never invalid. It's just unreliable.
 
There's a certain truth to the circular logic of gametes=sex, it's kinda just the core definition of sex (not really circular I suppose, more of an axiom).

But that's not what anyone is discussing when talking about trans issues (gender roles and presentation/acceptance or lack thereof in society).
 
Circular logic is never invalid. It's just unreliable.
You saying a thing does not make it so. There is no circular logic in the difference between biological males and biological females being in the organic structures that produce gametes. You are simply unable to work your way around that truth and are throwing anything at the wall to distract from it.
 
You saying a thing does not make it so.
I agree. The circularity of the logic in your definition makes it so, regardless of what I say.

There is no circular logic in the difference between biological males and biological females being in the organic structures that produce gametes.
The circular logic is that the "structures that produce male gametes occur in males", therefore, "we define males by the structures that could theoretically produce male gametes", even when they physiologically can not produce gametes.

You are simply unable to work your way around that truth
I agree there is no way to undercut circular logic, much as there is no way to convince a bigot to drop the bigotry. You just identify them and move on.

and are throwing anything at the wall to distract from it.
Believe me, if I were not limited by my desire to stick to verifiable notions in a skeptical mind-frame, I could be throwing a LOT more at the wall.
 
Not "kinda". It is the core definition of sex. It is beyond me why people want to debate or obfuscate what a biological male is.
It's one definition of sex, and not the one most people use.

You are including people that have typically female genitals, typically female endocrine levels, typically female brain structures, typically female bone structure, etc., to the point where any person seeing them walking down the street would, as well as the person themself, would identify them as female, and calling them "biologically male", as if the only important thing about biological sex is potential gamete production.
 
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