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The problem is they have given up a lot of picks to go and rebuild. We could get a good score for Rudy and Don, but then our traded picks give tons of value to rivals. To rebuild you need your own pics. We'd have to give picks to get rid of Mike.

I'd like to run it back with a different coach and see what they can do. When Rudy rotates on D he does fine. Get rid of Mike (or limited bench minutes or buyout) and Royce and bring in some bigger guards with 3&D capability and a 4 that can guard the paint too. And bring back Joe!
 
Well I mean you said that they had the opportunity to turn this team into a contender but didn't. So can you name another team that finished with the best record in the nba that you didn't think was a contender going into the playoffs?
I feel like everyone has forgotten how awesome we were last season. We were doing historical ****. I mean shattering records on the regular. We had 3 all stars and the 6th man of the year. plus ingles and bogey killing it from three. Hydra. We were demolishing teams. Best net rating in the nba. One of the top net ratings of all time. That team was ****ing fantastic.
I put so much less stock in the regular season than ever before. And it’s always been two different games. It was a fun regular season, then we lost three in a row to a team without their best player. We get absolutely cooked by perimeter players in every single playoff series. And even in the best of times the playoff teams never felt like the best version of their regular season selves.

You can use whatever criteria you want for ‘contender’ but the fact is that this team has infinitely more embarrassing playoff choke jobs than round 2 series wins.
 
There's a longer post to be written about this, but I think fans are struggling to even like this team. Sure, some of that is expectations, but watching this team be so good and then fall apart in large part because they don't hustle, D up, or play for each other is really dispiriting.

If you want an example of the opposite, the '18 team cannot be beat. I didn't care that they had almost no chance, I loved that team.
 
To win a title you need a skilled GM like Masai, we were fortunate to win a championship here in Toronto with his mastermind. Utah has never had a skilled front office to pull off those types of moves that Masai had made. Hopefully Ainge will be better than that idiot DL
 
Well I mean you said that they had the opportunity to turn this team into a contender but didn't. So can you name another team that finished with the best record in the nba that you didn't think was a contender going into the playoffs?
I feel like everyone has forgotten how awesome we were last season. We were doing historical ****. I mean shattering records on the regular. We had 3 all stars and the 6th man of the year. plus ingles and bogey killing it from three. Hydra. We were demolishing teams. Best net rating in the nba. One of the top net ratings of all time. That team was ****ing fantastic. It fell short for a variety of reasons. That happens some times. But that team was a contender.

All of this.
 
There's a longer post to be written about this, but I think fans are struggling to even like this team. Sure, some of that is expectations, but watching this team be so good and then fall apart in large part because they don't hustle, D up, or play for each other is really dispiriting.

If you want an example of the opposite, the '18 team cannot be beat. I didn't care that they had almost no chance, I loved that team.

So you don’t care if we have a chance of winning the title as long as we are likable? Yeah, **** that lol.
 
It is hilarious to me how almost entitled a lot of people sound on here. We could be the ****ing Kings or the Pistons who have not made the playoffs in YEARS.
 
So you don’t care if we have a chance of winning the title as long as we are likable? Yeah, **** that lol.
I need one or the other. This iteration is the most frustrating on both points because it turns out they suck and they have kind of given up (these two things are related).
 
I need one or the other. This iteration is the most frustrating on both points because it turns out they suck and they have kind of given up (these two things are related).

I don’t care how likable they are truly. That is kind of a weird thing to get stuck on in my opinion. You liked the 2018 team the most and that team couldn’t do **** against the Rockets.

EDIT: I retract my two comments because truly who am I to care or decide what makes you tick as a fan. My bad Numb.
 
I don't agree with this. The issue is play style. Jazz have a small, old-fashioned PG in Mike Conley, and a big gangly center in Gobert. The 5-out model, where everyone scores and everyone defends is a better model.

Salt Lake isn't a great market, but neither are Sacramento, San Antonio, Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Orlando, Cleveland, Detroit, or Toronto. You can't just write off one-third of the league because the markets aren't attractive.

The Bucks and Suns were in the Finals last year.

Every level of competition, even in the workforce, is going to have outliers that go against the expectation.

But you listed out a bunch of teams who've largely done either about as well as the Jazz the last 40 years or significantly worse.

Sacramento has made the NBA Playoffs ten times in the last forty seasons. They last made it in 2006! They've made one Western Conference Finals (2002) and never made a NBA Finals.

Charlotte (including the old Hornets, the Bobcats and the new Hornets) have made the playoffs just ten times in their history - their first season being 1988. They've been out of the first round four times in their franchise's history. They've never made it out of the semifinals and to the Eastern Conference Finals, however.

Their last playoff series win was in 2002 ... before the franchise relocated to New Orleans.

Their last actual trip to the playoffs was in 2016.

Minnesota came into the NBA a year after Charlotte. In that span, they've made the NBA playoffs 10 times as well. They've only advanced beyond the first round ONCE. In the history of the franchise, the Timberwolves have just 19 playoff wins all-time and TEN of those came in one playoff (when they made the WCF in 2004).

Milwaukee I've gone over.

Orlando had success in the 2000s with Dwight Howard, when they made the NBA Finals in a weak Eastern Conference, and I will concede they've done relatively well. But they still have zero NBA titles and have only made the playoffs twice since 2012.

Cleveland I don't think is comparable to Salt Lake, even though it does get a bad wrap.

See Cleveland for Detroit.

The big knock against Toronto is that they're a Canadian city but they're the fifth largest city in NORTH AMERICA so I just don't see it as a comparison.

Phoenix is where the Jazz have been most their history: good and yet have yet to prove it. We'll see if that changes this year.

San Antonio is an anomaly and always has been.

I think this list shows just how difficult it is to win a title in the NBA when you're not a power market. It takes a perfect storm, like with the Cavs getting LeBron to return after he went to Miami. He was a Hometown Hero who decided to come back and win it all - but there isn't anything remotely similar beyond the Jazz getting Lillard (and he's no LeBron).

The Spurs lucked out. They tanked for one season and got Duncan. Duncan saved a franchise that was very similar to the Jazz - winning Midwest Division titles, being good but just not good enough.

But the Spurs without Duncan haven't done much. Since he retired, the Spurs have had one run in the playoffs: 2017 where they made the WCF and were swept by the Warriors (oddly, a similar season as Utah's in 2007 after Stockton and Malone had retired/left, albeit a bit longer in between those seasons). Since? They've lost the first-round to the Warriors (swept), Nuggets and haven't made the playoffs.

Maybe the Jazz can get an all-time top player in NBA history through the draft. It sure worked for the Bucks too.

But all those other teams I listed out have drafted star players and have as many rings to show for it as Utah. And a lot less consistency.
 
It is hilarious to me how almost entitled a lot of people sound on here. We could be the ****ing Kings or the Pistons who have not made the playoffs in YEARS.
Sure.

But also... the Pistons have been to the mountaintop and beyond the rings they spent other years going deep into the playoffs (6 straight trips to the ECF in the 2000's or something like that).

The Kings should be sold and shipped to Seattle. I would not torture myself with this obsession if the Kings were my team.
 
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