Anyone catch Colin Cowherd

[NUMBERICA]

I don’t care how likable they are truly. That is kind of a weird thing to get stuck on in my opinion. You liked the 2018 team the most and that team couldn’t do **** against the Rockets.

But they played hard and liked each other. And they were really good, by the way. They would smash this team.

It's kinda weird to me that you're making this point about championship absolutism while you simultaneously tell us how we should be grateful to simply have a good team. I'll take good, likable, and better than this team.

 

[Jingled]

How many Jazz games do you think Colin Cowherd has watched in his entire life? In this clip he says that the Jazz were without Bogdanovic last year...I guess he means they were without Conley in the playoffs?? He doesn't know anything about this franchise, so his opinion means nothing to me.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

It is hilarious to me how almost entitled a lot of people sound on here. We could be the ****ing Kings or the Pistons who have not made the playoffs in YEARS.

It can be fun in different ways to follow draft prospects, have no expectations, getting excited about watching young talent develop, etc. I still had fun in the Core 4 years. This team isn't a contender and is the opposite of fun. It's the worst situation to be in.

Kings are #30 out of thirty NBA teams. So sure, we've got them beat. But the Pistons have Cade, another top 5 pick incoming, and other young fun talent. That will only be improving over the next half decade. I'll trade what we have now for that without blinking.

 

[Sean]

How many Jazz games do you think Colin Cowherd has watched in his entire life? In this clip he says that the Jazz were without Bogdanovic last year...I guess he means they were without Conley in the playoffs?? He doesn't know anything about this franchise, so his opinion means nothing to me.

eh I do think his point is a valid one, tho. You don't have to agree with it but I also believe he's been largely complimentary to the Jazz franchise. The fact is, not many franchises have been as consistently good as the Jazz have the last 40 years - and the list of teams listed out on page two shows this: a great deal of smaller market teams just flat-out struggle.

I know it's nice to point to San Antonio and Milwaukee has proof the Jazz can win it all. But in many ways, it's like pointing to Jeff Bezos and saying, 'see you can be a billionaire too!'. It's not genuine.

There are far better examples of franchises, at least since the Jazz relocated to Salt Lake, struggling or doing less than Utah has over the last 40 years (or roughly the same).

Off the top of my head:

Seattle/Oklahoma City
Portland
Sacramento
Los Angeles Clippers
Phoenix Suns
Denver Nuggets
Minnesota Timberwolves
New Orleans Pelicans
Memphis Grizzlies
Atlanta Hawks
Charlotte Hornets
Orlando Magic
Washington Wizards
Indiana Pacers
Brooklyn Nets
New York Knicks
Philadelphia 76ers

That's 17 of the NBA's 30 teams who've not really exceeded the Jazz' overall success the last 40 years.

Teams I'd say have flat-out exceeded Utah:

Lakers
Warriors
Mavs
Spurs
Rockets
Celtics
Bulls
Cavs
Heat
Raptors

And a few of those teams have not done much of anything since winning their last title. Like the Bulls or the Rockets. Houston hasn't been to a NBA Finals since 1995. The Cavs haven't done anything since LeBron left.

My point? Over half the league has performed, the last 40 or so years, worse than Utah on the whole. I think if the Suns win it all this year, yeah you move 'em to the next list. But outside Phoenix, there's no team on that first list who's matched the consistency of the Jazz the last 40 years. Portland is the closest but that's it.

Pointing to the Bucks and the Spurs means little when there are 17 other franchises the Jazz arguably exceed - and in many instances, by a lot. Those two teams are way more an anomaly when you factor in how the NBA has looked the last 40 years.

 

[Ujfanatic]

Good is the enemy of great.

 

[Ujfanatic]

I feel like everyone has forgotten how awesome we were last season. We were doing historical ****. I mean shattering records on the regular. We had 3 all stars and the 6th man of the year. plus ingles and bogey killing it from three. Hydra. We were demolishing teams. Best net rating in the nba. One of the top net ratings of all time. That team was ****ing fantastic. It fell short for a variety of reasons. That happens some times. But that team was a contender.

I’ve been meaning to go back and analyze last season. By memory, I would say the version of the Jazz you’re describing existed for maybe a 25 - 30 game stretch in a 72 game season, and I believe the competition level wasn’t as high due to matchups and injuries/COVID. Conley and Clarkson were playing out of their minds during that stretch, which was a major part of the success. It was incredibly fun to watch!

Post all-star game it seems the team came back down to earth and then injuries hit for the last month of the season.

I don’t say any of that to discount the amazing run they had and may not be recounting that accurately, but given how things have gone since it makes me wonder how “real”/sustainable that level of play was.

 

[fishonjazz]

It can be fun in different ways to follow draft prospects, have no expectations, getting excited about watching young talent develop, etc. I still had fun in the Core 4 years. This team isn't a contender and is the opposite of fun. It's the worst situation to be in.

Kings are #30 out of thirty NBA teams. So sure, we've got them beat. But the Pistons have Cade, another top 5 pick incoming, and other young fun talent. That will only be improving over the next half decade. I'll trade what we have now for that without blinking.

Fair but its more likely that the Cade and another top 5 pick and other young fun talent never become as good as the jazz than they become better than the jazz.

 

[fishonjazz]

I’ve been meaning to go back and analyze last season. By memory, I would say the version of the Jazz you’re describing existed for maybe a 25 - 30 game stretch in a 72 game season, and I believe the competition level wasn’t as high due to matchups and injuries/COVID. Conley and Clarkson were playing out of their minds during that stretch, which was a major part of the success. It was incredibly fun to watch!

Post all-star game it seems the team came back down to earth and then injuries hit for the last month of the season.

I don’t say any of that to discount the amazing run they had and may not be recounting that accurately, but given how things have gone since it makes me wonder how “real”/sustainable that level of play was.

Fair. That season was so ****ing fun though. I wouldn't trade that season for almost anything. I had a blast last year. The clippers series sucked though. At least I was watching the clippers series while I was in Hawaii though. That helped.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Just to be clear. The highest of highs this team achieved, the bar to beat, is two wins in the second round of the playoffs.

I don’t see that as some incredible feat that usual fodder teams would be lucky to ever sniff.

 

[Pastramiking]

The idea of blowing up the Jazz is a terrible idea. How many teams wish they had 2 consistent all stars? The Jazz might need a different voice in the locker room and some new supporting players, but the idea of blowing up the core of Gobert and Mitchell is stupid.

 

[fishonjazz]

The idea of blowing up the Jazz is a terrible idea. How many teams wish they had 2 consistent all stars? The Jazz might need a different voice in the locker room and some new supporting players, but the idea of blowing up the core of Gobert and Mitchell is stupid.

I think many who want to blow it up actually agree with you. The problem is we have no assets and are in salary cap hell. That is the reason many want to blow it up I think.
If we could make some good moves to get better players around rudy and mitchell then I think most people would feel like you do. I dont think many people think we have the ability to do that though.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just to be clear. The highest of highs this team achieved, the bar to beat, is two wins in the second round of the playoffs.

I don’t see that as some incredible feat that usual fodder teams would be lucky to ever sniff.

Eh, I actually felt higher at the end of the regular season than I did at the end of the second round of the playoffs.