RightBetweenTheEyes!
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Get Hassan Whiteside at #9.. kid is good and is just going to get better. He's a billion times better than Koufos/Fesenko. He'll finish out his first season as one of the best rookies in the NBA. Mark my words.
Are Jazz stuck?
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Scorpjazz
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I dont get why the Jazz dont just trade their worst player for an allstar. That seems to be what everyone keeps thinking. It doesnt matter that it takes two teams to do the trade. The Jazz are at fault.
I HATE the AK deal now, but I remember at the time thinking he could develop into a top 10 player in the league. He was that amazing for a year or two. I do think the Jazz should have done the Marion for AK deal, if it was for real. But, other than that, I dont see how its KOC's and Greg's fault that no one wants to give up a good player for one of our crap players.
The only solution I see sometimes is for us to tank a season (Spurs)so we get a high pick or get a Stern gift (Gasol, which wont happen). We are always just good enough to get a crap pick. I understand the frustration, but I dont see it as such an easy fix as some think.
I HATE the AK deal now, but I remember at the time thinking he could develop into a top 10 player in the league. He was that amazing for a year or two. I do think the Jazz should have done the Marion for AK deal, if it was for real. But, other than that, I dont see how its KOC's and Greg's fault that no one wants to give up a good player for one of our crap players.
The only solution I see sometimes is for us to tank a season (Spurs)so we get a high pick or get a Stern gift (Gasol, which wont happen). We are always just good enough to get a crap pick. I understand the frustration, but I dont see it as such an easy fix as some think.
I would like to see the Jazz hang on to AK47 for one more year.
I think he knows that many of his problems over the years have been because he was overpaid, not because he was unproductive.
I think the Jazz re-sign him at about 50% of his current contract. At that rate he will be a real value, and his contract will not be the thing keeping them from improving.
I think he knows that many of his problems over the years have been because he was overpaid, not because he was unproductive.
I think the Jazz re-sign him at about 50% of his current contract. At that rate he will be a real value, and his contract will not be the thing keeping them from improving.
Hopper
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Well, Bish, ya know, us message board posters aint exactly the "man in the arena," when it comes to players, coaches, owners, or front office personnel, eh? Speakin for my own damn self, I just demand what I demand, and if I don't get it, SOMEBODY is wrong, very wrong, ya know?
Theodore Roosevelt, "Man in the Arena" Speech given April 23, 1910
26th president of US (1858 - 1919)
At what point does the fan base generating all revenue have a legitimate right to hold accountable the front office? Yes, there are some morons who get upset with the front office for not trading Andrei for Garnett, but does that mean that anybody with different views than the management are morons by association? Three years in a row we have brought back the exact same team with the exact same result. The reason? Pick any combination of the following:
-We're a young team and have a lot of up-and-coming players that we should expect a lot of internal improvement
-We really haven't seen this team healthy yet
-It takes two teams to trade and if it will make the team better we'll look into it
-We've been really aggressive in keeping our core together and have shown our willingness to do so by matching offers
I'm a pretty conservative person. Very, actually. I support keeping Sloan. I generally have supported not making trades in the past. Our philosophy has honestly become the same as someone going to a grand buffet, but while everyone is fighting in line for the filet mignon we go make sure we don't miss out on the macoroni and cheese. Yeah, I understand we're not obtaining treasure for trash. I don't even expect an all-star for Boozer or Kirilenko. I'm just sick of the defeatest attitude. "Well, nobody wants to deal with us, nobody wants to sign with us. We're just going to make sure we can get as much macoroni and cheese that we can." I'm tired of macoroni and cheese. It's not filling. Yeah, it tasted good at first, but it's time to try to get some damn steak because the mac and cheese is about to make me vomit. I'm willing to risk starvation for it.
It'd be nice for Kevin to come out and say something other than "yeah, well we'll look into anything." With some of the decent players being moved for trash the past few years (when we have better assets than what was offered), I really don't think it's all that much to ask that we make a couple of lateral moves to balance our team out. Oh, I know, an awesome season ended by an exit via the Lakers is always exciting (oh and yes, I know, "they're the champions" and we should just bend over and accept getting knocked out).
When training camp comes we'll be told that they did all they could, they were super aggressive, but the deals just weren't there, we have an exciting year where we've had another year to gel and be healthy, and we had been blessed to have a lottery pick, especially considering we were a playoff team and now we're adding a lottery pick. If this tickles you pink, then that's grand.
Darkwing Duck
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So he should be like Cuban and get fined 100K? Saying ANYTHING right now about free agents is tampering. And talking publicly about any possible trades is downright unequivocally stupid.
Hopper
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Rumors are that KOC and the gang are doin more than you might think. Just for starters, I have been informed by my sources at Best Buy that Fess has been taken prisoner and is being kept in the training room at the Salt Palace 24/7. All cigarettes have been withheld, and he has been forced into lifting weights, running, etc., 14 hours a day. Best of all, he is not allowed to sleep without listening to repetitive messages where Sloan calls him an effin c, to jar him out of his soft-*** mentality.
I think you misheard me. I'm saying I'm sick of seeing the same BS accompanied by that excuse.
Darkwing Duck
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Even if it's true?
Scorpjazz
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The only way 'we' can hold the Organization accountable is to not buy tickets or merchandise. That is our only power. Yes, we can 'demand' change on message boards and say we are outraged, but it means little as we keep spending money. Since I know I am not going to do that, I guess I try to be an optimistic homer then.
I wish for better results and yeah we can all come up with back seat GM moves that would be a sure ring generator, but to endlessly be angry seems kind of counter productive to the whole reason I am a fan, to have fun.
I wish for better results and yeah we can all come up with back seat GM moves that would be a sure ring generator, but to endlessly be angry seems kind of counter productive to the whole reason I am a fan, to have fun.
InGameStrategy
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I don't buy that his being overpaid had a lot to do with his problems, except that in his own mind he felt like he deserved more of a role in the offense. As for fans in the arena, they usually cheer if you do well and sometimes boo if you don't, no matter how much you're getting paid.
Oh, and then there's Jerry. AK has been a prima donna at times, but Sloan did little to change things until after the 2006-2007 season was over and was basically asked to bury the hatchet. Did Sloan ever talk to AK during the season about his role? Did he ever talk to Deron about how to get AK more involved? I doubt it.
Hopper
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Why would you doubt it when it was repeatedly (publicly) reported that such conversations did take place?