Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

[oneye]

My hope is they duck the tax this year but only because there is no avoiding it next two years. But let’s be honest... they will likely find ways to get out of it in the future that will have negative basketball consequences.

They need to waive NWG and they are a few hundred thousand away from ducking it and avoiding repeater tax, which why not avoid it if you can for as long as you can? Idk how you get the little bit more trimmed to get off it, but NWG being waived almost gets you there. Is NWG worth $3 million? No. Just waive him.

 

[KqWIN]

Yeah, but when Rudy's extra $10 million brings such a luxury tax penalty that we are discouraged from using our biggest exceptions, that's a big deal.

If we are using draft picks dumping $340k, imagine how much we will sacrifice when Rudy's extra $10 million is really costing us $20 million plus not signing people.

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Once again...it’s just Ryan Smiths money. I understand that it’s not realistic to expect him to spend everything. But that is the only restriction, Ryan Smiths money.

 

[LoPo]

Once again...it’s just Ryan Smiths money. I understand that it’s not realistic to expect him to spend everything. But that is the only restriction, Ryan Smiths money.

Its Ryan Smith's money right now and we are using picks to shed 8 million.

But it doesn't matter whose money it is. Its dumb to pay Rudy the supermax.

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[KqWIN]

Its Ryan Smith's money right now and we are using picks to shed 8 million.

But it doesn't matter whose money it is. Its dumb to pay Rudy the supermax.

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It is significantly worse to let him walk for nothing or trade him for pennies IMO. If he walks, we have don't have cap space to sign him. If we trade him, that package isn't going to come close to what Rudy provides us. If you're willing to pay him the max but not the supermax, it's a better decision to pay him the supermax and off someone like Clarkson instead. Gobert is significantly better than any trade package we could get + Clarkson. But again, the only thing keeping the Jazz from having Gobert and Clarkson is Ryan Smith being willing to pay.

If you can put together a scenario where we letting him go or trading him is better, I'm all ears, but I really don't see it. Hopefully the Jazz can get him for less, but they've proven to be horrible at contract negotiations. Everyone, including the guys who want to be here, get paid a premium. Sounds like you don't want to give it to him on principle, but if it's the best move it's the move.

 

[LoPo]

It is significantly worse to let him walk for nothing or trade him for pennies IMO. If he walks, we have don't have cap space to sign him. If we trade him, that package isn't going to come close to what Rudy provides us. If you're willing to pay him the max but not the supermax, it's a better decision to pay him the supermax and off someone like Clarkson instead. Gobert is significantly better than any trade package we could get + Clarkson. But again, the only thing keeping the Jazz from having Gobert and Clarkson is Ryan Smith being willing to pay.

If you can put together a scenario where we letting him go or trading him is better, I'm all ears, but I really don't see it. Hopefully the Jazz can get him for less, but they've proven to be horrible at contract negotiations. Everyone, including the guys who want to be here, get paid a premium. Sounds like you don't want to give it to him on principle, but if it's the best move it's the move.

Why should we pay Rudy so much we have to sacrifice a quality guy like Clarkson?

I think we could get value for Rudy in a trade.

Lastly, Rudy will be an awful player by the time he ends the 4th year of an extension. Rim protectors with little ball skills are borderline worthless when they reach 30+ years old. Rudy will be 33 in year 5. Making $50 million.

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[KqWIN]

Why should we pay Rudy so much we have to sacrifice a quality guy like Clarkson?

I think we could get value for Rudy in a trade.

Lastly, Rudy will be an awful player by the time he ends the 4th year of an extension. Rim protectors with little ball skills are borderline worthless when they reach 30+ years old. Rudy will be 33 in year 5. Making $50 million.

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I don't think we can get fair value for Rudy. He's underrated to begin with, there are not many suitors for C's, he's not well liked among the "in crowd" of stars, and of course he's on a one year deal. I think in any Rudy trade, we get robbed. Seriously, what kind of package do you think Rudy on a one year deal is getting?

The reason why you would pay Rudy so much is because he's Rudy, not Jordan Clarkson. That's self pretty self explanatory to me. Clarkson should not prevent you from keeping Gobert. If you move on from Gobert, it's not like you get the equivalent of $35M in value. You either get nothing if he walks with zero cap space to replace him, or a trade package that won't be close to the value he would bring. I cannot fathom the Jazz getting a package that combined with Clarkson is more valuable than Gobert.

The future with an overpaid Gobert is significantly better than without him.

 

[LoPo]

I don't think we can get fair value for Rudy. He's underrated to begin with, there are not many suitors for C's, he's not well liked among the "in crowd" of stars, and of course he's on a one year deal. I think in any Rudy trade, we get robbed. Seriously, what kind of package do you think Rudy on a one year deal is getting?

The reason why you would pay Rudy so much is because he's Rudy, not Jordan Clarkson. That's self pretty self explanatory to me. Clarkson should not prevent you from keeping Gobert. If you move on from Gobert, it's not like you get the equivalent of $35M in value. You either get nothing if he walks with zero cap space to replace him, or a trade package that won't be close to the value he would bring. I cannot fathom the Jazz getting a package that combined with Clarkson is more valuable than Gobert.

The future with an overpaid Gobert is significantly better than without him.

We haven't gotten out of the 1st round built around Rudy. It was unknown Donovan that carried us to our only playoff series win in the Rudy era.

Continuing to build everything around Rudy, including our finances, is a poor decision.

The Wiz thought it was wise to pay Wall rather than lose him for nothing. That failed. The Chris Paul contract was seen as a negative. The monster Blake Griffin deal is seen as a negative. Steph Curry will be seen as overpaid before his deal is done.

Almost every player not named LeBron paid over $40 million at 30+ is a bad idea. Just look at the history of the league. Getting some value for a good player is better than overpaying one.

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[KqWIN]

We haven't gotten out of the 1st round built around Rudy. It was unknown Donovan that carried us to our only playoff series win in the Rudy era.

Continuing to build everything around Rudy, including our finances, is a poor decision.

The Wiz thought it was wise to pay Wall rather than lose him for nothing. That failed. The Chris Paul contract was seen as a negative. The monster Blake Griffin deal is seen as a negative. Steph Curry will be seen as overpaid before his deal is done.

Almost every player not named LeBron paid over $40 million at 30+ is a bad idea. Just look at the history of the league. Getting some value for a good player is better than overpaying one.

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Rudy is the best player on the team by a mile. Without him, we don’t even make the playoffs. He was the best player in the OKC series, and if Donovan or anyone else could throw the ball in the ocean the Jazz would have won both series against HOU.

John Wall tore his ACL and Achilles. That is a drastic situation, and you still can’t say the alternative of letting him leave is better.

Blake Griffin yielded great value in trade and built they foundation for what they have now.

Steph Curry is Steph Curry. You really think GSW is mad about having Steph Curry and would rather trade him instead? Ridiculous. He could be the worst player in the league for his last season. It doesn’t matter because you got to have Steph Curry on your team for for years.

You have to take the emotional side out of it. It’s about the best path forward. If there is a decent trade package....sure. But there won’t be. I cannot fathom thinking Jordan Clarkson is so important that you lose Rudy over him.

 

[Troat Guru]

Honestly I’d rather trade both Donovan and Rudy and start to rebuild than giving him a supermax.
If the Jazz really want to try to win something they can’t do that.
I mean, I really love Rudy and so I know perfectly well that he is the solid basement on which the whole team is built... but he cannot be the most paid player in a serious contender.
If we give him the supermax now, we’ll stay into mediocrity for the next 5 years...a complete rebuild seems to me a far better option tbh.
Overpaying Rudy is not the best option...but letting him walk out would be a terrible scenario as well.

Damn, really hope Rudy will stay here with a fair deal.

 

[LoPo]

Rudy is the best player on the team by a mile. Without him, we don’t even make the playoffs. He was the best player in the OKC series, and if Donovan or anyone else could throw the ball in the ocean the Jazz would have won both series against HOU.

John Wall tore his ACL and Achilles. That is a drastic situation, and you still can’t say the alternative of letting him leave is better.

Blake Griffin yielded great value in trade and built they foundation for what they have now.

Steph Curry is Steph Curry. You really think GSW is mad about having Steph Curry and would rather trade him instead? Ridiculous. He could be the worst player in the league for his last season. It doesn’t matter because you got to have Steph Curry on your team for for years.

You have to take the emotional side out of it. It’s about the best path forward. If there is a decent trade package....sure. But there won’t be. I cannot fathom thinking Jordan Clarkson is so important that you lose Rudy over him.

Rudy was why we beat OKC? Take off your Rudy homer glasses. What an ignorant take.

Rudy is the most important regular season player we have because we build the entire system around him. Our system is unique because he is unique. However, its not like our other professional basketball players couldn't find success playing a different system without him.

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[KqWIN]

Rudy was why we beat OKC? Take off your Rudy homer glasses. What an ignorant take.

Rudy is the most important regular season player we have because we build the entire system around him. Our system is unique because he is unique. However, its not like our other professional basketball players couldn't find success playing a different system without him.

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We beat OKC for a lot of reasons. Rudy was the best player in that series. Donovan played well and had some huge games, but that was a defensive series anchored by Gobert.

It is true that Rudy is the entire defense, specifically on defense. But even if we switch schemes, it doesn't mean we'll be good defensively. The Jazz would be a terrible defensive team regardless of what system they play without Rudy.

 

[Getting Traded]

We beat OKC for a lot of reasons. Rudy was the best player in that series. Donovan played well and had some huge games, but that was a defensive series anchored by Gobert.

It is true that Rudy is the entire defense, specifically on defense. But even if we switch schemes, it doesn't mean we'll be good defensively. The Jazz would be a terrible defensive team regardless of what system they play without Rudy.

Getting Favors back just pushed our defense up a couple of notches, so long as he stays healthy.