Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

[framer]

Bet this gets done tomorrow. 38 million per with incentives.

 

[oneye]

Now you're just being an idiot. You're better than this. You want to win the argument so badly you'll say anything.

Don led us to a series win as a rookie. Fact.

Murray's team outplayed ours. Supporting cast was better. Murray's job was easy because we lacked the depth due to the stupid Conley deal. Jokic outplayed Rudy all over.

If you didn't see something special out of Don vs Denver, he should leave. He was a superstar. Murray had superstar moments. Rudy was a bystander for greatness. He was on Don's coattails.



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So concerned about kissing the *** of a guy who won’t be in a Jazz uniform 3 years from now. I was/kinda am against a Rudy super max, but I don’t see why not at this point tbh. Donovan’s last game in a Jazz uniform is potentially around 28-29 months from now. I don’t think some of you realize just how shortened the timeline has become due to that player option on Donovan’s contract. There is no time to change course at this point. Donovan will potentially be supermax eligible 30 months from now in the summer of 2024 (we are a few weeks away from 2021). When he doesn’t sign that extension the Jazz will trade him. You have 3 seasons, this one included in that, to win. Pay Rudy what he wants and go for it, cause your other guys timeline is the summer of 2024. You can’t recover by then. Any chance you had of recalibrating and rebooting was lost the day you gave Donovan a player option in his contract. And yes a year means that much. It meant that much with Hayward, and it means that much with Rudy right now who also signed a 4 year deal. That extra year, that the Jazz continually just give away is extremely important every damn time.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The only player in the league deserving of a "Supermax" in my opinion is Giannis. There are probably only 15-25 other players in the league even deserving of max or near-max contract money. Of all of those deserving players (not including Donovan since he's signed longterm), we literally only have the chance to sign ONE of them. Of all the players that anyone would pay more for than maxing out Gobert, does anyone actually think we'd even have a shot at a meeting with them?

I'd gladly pay Kawhi, AD, or Lebron more than what they're making if they'd sign with Utah. But, since we will never see a Jazz super-team with Donovan or any of those guys, we should probably put everything we have into making this team great. Sign Rudy and find any opportunity to improve the team wherever possible so we can truly contend. Outside of the Lakers, no other team has proven anything and anyone could dethrone LA this season or next. Might as well see this team to the end and continue building everything around Donovan and Rudy. The alternative is getting worse and becoming regulars at the draft lottery again or at best fighting for 8th seed.

Most players getting the supermax are worth more than that. Giannis is worth far more than the supermax. If you removed the max he could make and put him on the open market he could get more.

Gobert is worth a lot to the Jazz. You can't replace him. It's very unlikely to trade him for another All-NBA player. You're much better paying extra. It's not like we can use the salary difference to sign another player. It costs luxury tax and/or lower level players that aren't likely the difference between winning and not.

 

[LoPo]

Oh my bad... you’d like to get a Mercedes but pay for a Honda.

Don’t call me an idiot man. You can disagree but I never said DM wasn’t great. It isn’t idiotic to say paying for a guy is worse than letting him walk. Even if the difference is 7-8M a year it isn’t idiotic... if he gets hurt it’s a bad deal either way... 30, 35, 40m a year... it all sucks if he gets hurt or falls off a cliff. He walks for nothing I’m just gonna bet we don’t end up pulling the best player out of the draft in the same offseason and the retool is seamless.

I shouldn't have called you an idiot. I apologize.

I do get very tired of seeing Donovan's impact being discounted in this forum. The kid is special - the best young player we have ever had. Of all the players scoring 24+ppg last year, he got the worst whistle by a mile. His free throw attempts were laughable despite how much he attacks the rim on a nightly basis.

I want Rudy to stay, but overpaying him gives us a 2 maybe 3 year window to think about contending. Unfortunately, the Conley deal was so atrocious that it took away that chance to fully attack titles regardless of what we pay Rudy and Don. A major Rudy deal will have the same effect as Conley for the last few years of a 5 year deal.

Overpaying him because we are afraid of life without him is unwise. Trading him for lesser parts isn't ideal, but I think the Favors signing keeps us in the same conversations we were in before if we make the playoffs.

This is a tough spot. I really wish Rudy wasn't expecting so much money because by the end of a major deal many might hate him for it.

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[GVC]

So concerned about kissing the *** of a guy who won’t be in a Jazz uniform 3 years from now. I was/kinda am against a Rudy super max, but I don’t see why not at this point tbh. Donovan’s last game in a Jazz uniform is potentially around 28-29 months from now. I don’t think some of you realize just how shortened the timeline has become due to that player option on Donovan’s contract. There is no time to change course at this point. Donovan will potentially be supermax eligible 30 months from now in the summer of 2024 (we are a few weeks away from 2021). When he doesn’t sign that extension the Jazz will trade him. You have 3 seasons, this one included in that, to win. Pay Rudy what he wants and go for it, cause your other guys timeline is the summer of 2024. You can’t recover by then. Any chance you had of recalibrating and rebooting was lost the day you gave Donovan a player option in his contract. And yes a year means that much. It meant that much with Hayward, and it means that much with Rudy right now who also signed a 4 year deal. That extra year, that the Jazz continually just give away is extremely important every damn time.

You're a year off on your calculations:

The summer of 2024 is 3.5 years away (42 months-ish).

That's 4 seasons--the last year on his rookie deal plus the first three on his extension.

 

[infection]

You're a year off on your calculations:

The summer of 2024 is 3.5 years away (42 months-ish).

That's 4 seasons--the last year on his rookie deal plus the first three on his extension.

But he’s already traded himself to the Knicks on his 2k account so none of those years count.

 

[oneye]

But he’s already traded himself to the Knicks on his 2k account so none of those years count.

Or Heat

 

[infection]

Or Heat

Ah. Got it. Maybe next week he’ll see the allure of a storied franchise like the Lakers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I shouldn't have called you an idiot. I apologize.

I do get very tired of seeing Donovan's impact being discounted in this forum. The kid is special - the best young player we have ever had. Of all the players scoring 24+ppg last year, he got the worst whistle by a mile. His free throw attempts were laughable despite how much he attacks the rim on a nightly basis.

I want Rudy to stay, but overpaying him gives us a 2 maybe 3 year window to think about contending. Unfortunately, the Conley deal was so atrocious that it took away that chance to fully attack titles regardless of what we pay Rudy and Don. A major Rudy deal will have the same effect as Conley for the last few years of a 5 year deal.

Overpaying him because we are afraid of life without him is unwise. Trading him for lesser parts isn't ideal, but I think the Favors signing keeps us in the same conversations we were in before if we make the playoffs.

This is a tough spot. I really wish Rudy wasn't expecting so much money because by the end of a major deal many might hate him for it.

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I love Donovan... He's incredible... so is Rudy and they work on court together if they want to.

To me saying we'd be okay with Favs in Rudy's spot is similar to saying we'd be okay with JC in DM's spot. I get where you are headed with bigs can be replaced but I think Rudy is elite and elite being replaced by solid will be really damaging.

I think both guys come back more mature after the dust ups last year. They are both very young... something we forget occasionally.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I love Donovan... He's incredible... so is Rudy and they work on court together if they want to.

To me saying we'd be okay with Favs in Rudy's spot is similar to saying we'd be okay with JC in DM's spot. I get where you are headed with bigs can be replaced but I think Rudy is elite and elite being replaced by solid will be really damaging.

I think both guys come back more mature after the dust ups last year. They are both very young... something we forget occasionally.

Except JC can actually play 30 mpg for a full regular season and playoffs.

Favors would be broken if he tried to do that.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Except JC can actually play 30 mpg for a full regular season and playoffs.

Favors would be broken if he tried to do that.

Agreed... was obviously just looking for a good example on the roster.

I really think Favs was paid a premium to be the backup and also because the locker room presence. He is zero ******** and one of the guys that is close to both Rudy and DM. I think we read a little too much into the fact we signed and also drafted a center... I don't think it is because we think Rudy will walk.

 

[oneye]

Ah. Got it. Maybe next week he’ll see the allure of a storied franchise like the Lakers.

Nah, I’m pretty confident LA is not it for him.
As for Rudy, I expect something around the $200 million mark Sunday or Monday.