Are there any Kanter apologists left? What are they saying?

[gregbroncs]

Everybody knew that Kanter didn't want to be with the Jazz. I know that the Jazz didn't have any trade leverage. This meant that the Jazz had to take less back, and the other team was going to get a steal. Kanter had been wanting to be traded for a while before it happened, and wasn't buying into the system. If that were not the case, he would have been much better for the Jazz, and could have helped them. Value can mean many different things. While I realize that the Jazz probably couldn't have gotten much better for Kanter in a trade, the players we got back (and the second round draft pick) are not close to the value a motivated Kanter brings to your team.

Oh, and what I stated about the other players is an opinion *** hole. Look up the definition of that.

You realize we also got a 1st round pick? Because you have conveniently left that out 2 posts in a row now.

 

[NAOS]

Haha.....your a very defensive person. Calm down it will be okay. Let me enlighten you with a little bit of knowledge. Just because someone's a GM doesn't mean they excel at their position. How successful was Billy King, Isiah Thomas, Elgin Baylor? Just because someone is a coach doesn't mean they are a good coach, look no further than Corbin as a example. Just because your a GM of the Utah Jazz doesn't mean you can't make mistakes. I just feel trading a early second round draft pick in a deep draft for a later draft pick in a weaker draft wasn't the best move possible. I think in return you could have gotten a late 1st round pick. I don't remember who it was but someone that drafted about 10 spots behind the Jazz got two 2nd round draft picks for their 2nd round pick. In my opinion we could have done without Pleiss, Jarrett, and the two 2nd rounders which most likely won't amount to much and got a better protected 1st round pick. Which leads me to Golden State, Lindsey really help them become a good team. I just think taking on all their bad contracts and paying 23-25 million for two late first rounds picks just seems overpriced to me. Of course this is my opinion and not yours or Dennis Lindsey's, I never claimed to be an expert. I simply voiced my opinion on the forum just like your doing.



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All of the history you just cited -- every single bit of it -- is glaringly incomplete.

 

[Stifle Tower]

What I find amusing is so many posters slammed the Jazz for not getting at least SOMETHING - even a 2nd-rounder for Milsap or Big Al. Yet we got a future 1st and other assets for a guy who we probably would have let walk at a contract above $13-14M (maybe even less).

 

[sgjazzfan]

I see that on your link. So Sap is a better defender than Rudy? Well, shut my mouth. Why couldn't we see that when he was here?

Nice work, but I think those ratings must have a serious flaw. Sap is just not that good a defender. His team is so it must flow from that and all their wins. These guys have him ranked 23 out of 47: https://bleacherreport.com/articles...st-defensive-power-forwards-in-the-nba/page/2. To be fair, Favors is ranked only 2 above him.

OK, so I may have been wrong by saying he's one of the best. He is more than adequate as a defender. He is on one of the best defensive teams in the league, clearly it wasn't him holding back our defense. Maybe it was Korver (oh wait). Also, that article is from before last season even started.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

Enes Kanter is a soft mother ****er. So soft that Malone gave up on training him after 1 summer. We all know Malone he dont give up on anything but Kanter he finally had enough of his soft *** and threw in the towel.



Now Rudy, there is a boy who works out like a real man. He should be Exums personal coach. Perfect body matches.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I really wanted Kanter to work out. I saw a lot of potential with him. I really didn't want 1/2 of the Deron Williams trade to be traded away. But we had to get rid of him and it's whats best for business

 

[gregbroncs]

Stifle Tower kicking *** and taking names in this thread. Great points from him.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Which leads me to Golden State, Lindsey really help them become a good team. I just think taking on all their bad contracts and paying 23-25 million for two late first rounds picks just seems overpriced to me. Of course this is my opinion and not yours or Dennis Lindsey's, I never claimed to be an expert. I simply voiced my opinion on the forum just like your doing.

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You do realize there's a salary floor, right? Would have spent that much had we made the trade or not, either by signing overpriced vets or paying out the difference between the floor and actual salaries paid to the existing players on the roster.

Had we not obtained that extra pick, we would have remained at #14. Not sure if Utah would have taken Giannis or not. I DO know they would have taken Gobert at #21. DL hinted at that before the draft by saying everyone was sleeping on a big international player. Couldn't have been anyone else. So, they used the pick to trade up for Trey (oh well) but managed to buy back in to take Gobert.

In response to another post, I think Lindsey is looking like a freaking GENIUS right now. And oh yeah, not a bad GM before him who was responsible for getting Favors and Hayward (and previously trading up to get Deron). Oh yeah, let's put Kanter into the "win" column as far as the draft. Very good player. Just got pushed aside by the man who just might be the best of his generation.

And not a bad choice by Lindsey in terms of bringing in a new head coach. Lindsey is already a top-10 GM.

 

[Shocker00]

All of the history you just cited -- every single bit of it -- is glaringly incomplete.

I'm not trying to post history to back up my opinion. I remember the trades very well. There is a reason everyone is giving the Jazz C's on their trade grades and their trade partners A's. I'm sure if you want to learn more about the history of trades you can find it on the internet somewhere without me posting it for you.


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[NAOS]

You do realize there's a salary floor, right? Would have spent that much had we made the trade or not, either by signing overpriced vets or paying out the difference between the floor and actual salaries paid to the existing players on the roster.

Had we not obtained that extra pick, we would have remained at #14. Not sure if Utah would have taken Giannis or not. I DO know they would have taken Gobert at #21. DL hinted at that before the draft by saying everyone was sleeping on a big international player. Couldn't have been anyone else. So, they used the pick to trade up for Trey (oh well) but managed to buy back in to take Gobert. In response to another post, I think Lindsey is looking like a freaking GENIUS right now. And oh yeah, not a bad GM before him who was responsible for getting Favors and Hayward (and previously trading up to get Deron). Oh yeah, let's put Kanter into the "win" column as far as the draft. Very good player. Just got pushed aside by the man who just might be the best of his generation.

And not a bad choice by Lindsey in terms of bringing in a new head coach. Lindsey is already a top-10 GM.

dude, if you're gonna start plugging the holes in Shocker00's history, then you better put on a pot of coffee.

 

[NAOS]

I'm not trying to post history to back up my opinion. I remember the trades very well. There is a reason everyone is giving the Jazz C's on their trade grades and their trade partners A's. I'm sure if you want to learn more about the history of trades you can find it on the internet somewhere without me posting it for you.


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your evidence is the fluff pieces with trade grades????? lmfao. What a wild fail.

 

[Shocker00]

What I find amusing is so many posters slammed the Jazz for not getting at least SOMETHING - even a 2nd-rounder for Milsap or Big Al. Yet we got a future 1st and other assets for a guy who we probably would have let walk at a contract above $13-14M (maybe even less).

Jazz could have got a similar draft pick in a sign and trade deal


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