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Are we really a contender?

Are we still contenders this year?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 21.8%

  • No

    Votes: 47 54.0%

  • Yes, if we shake things up

    Votes: 17 19.5%

  • Don't care/wait and see

    Votes: 4 4.6%
  • Total voters
    87
Pretty crazy that over half of us don't think we are a contender. I guess it depends on your definition. We're obviously not a favorite, but I still don't think we're a full tier before any team besides a completely healthy and meshing Nets team.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Pretty crazy that over half of us don't think we are a contender. I guess it depends on your definition. We're obviously not a favorite, but I still don't think we're a full tier before any team besides a completely healthy and meshing Nets team.
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Exactly. Phoenix is definitely playing better CURRENTLY, in the regular season. But the Jazz could absolutely compete with them in a playoff series. Honestly, it's a coinflip series. Golden state might be a little better than both teams, probably have a slightly better chance at winning in both series, but they aren't a juggernaut. Both Utah or Phoenix could take them down. There are a lot of teams in the west that are pretty good. But the top four teams (have to include Memphis the way Ja is playing--but we'll see), and maybe the mavs and the clippers if they are healthy, are all probably going to play really competitive, coinflip series. And the East is about even with the West too. There is parity in the nba, what we've all always wanted. And now people want to burn the team down because we aren't a juggernaut ourselves. Every team in the league has serious concerns. Every fanbase has something they are freaking out about. There is no Kevin Durant Golden State. That's ****ing exciting. Let's go!
 
fallenchicken said:
Exactly. Phoenix is definitely playing better CURRENTLY, in the regular season. But the Jazz could absolutely compete with them in a playoff series. Honestly, it's a coinflip series. Golden state might be a little better than both teams, probably have a slightly better chance at winning in both series, but they aren't a juggernaut. Both Utah or Phoenix could take them down. There are a lot of teams in the west that are pretty good. But the top four teams (have to include Memphis the way Ja is playing--but we'll see), and maybe the mavs and the clippers if they are healthy, are all probably going to play really competitive, coinflip series. And the East is about even with the West too. There is parity in the nba, what we've all always wanted. And now people want to burn the team down because we aren't a juggernaut ourselves. Every team in the league has serious concerns. Every fanbase has something they are freaking out about. There is no Kevin Durant Golden State. That's ****ing exciting. Let's go!
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I do apreciate your optimism, but am wondering about the basis for it. Despite being the best regular season team in the league last year the Jazz were still swept 3-0 by the Suns last year. The Jazz just lost to Golden State, at home, without Draymond or Klay. The Warriors have made multiple finals appearances and won multiple championships. The Suns just made a finals appearance last year. The Jazz have not been out of the second round of the playoffs since 2007.

I'm not saying the Jazz have no chance against these teams, but I would say our chances are definitely worse than a coin flip.
 
Ujfanatic said:
I do apreciate your optimism, but am wondering about the basis for it. Despite being the best regular season team in the league last year the Jazz were still swept 3-0 by the Suns last year. The Jazz just lost to Golden State, at home, without Draymond or Klay. The Warriors have made multiple finals appearances and won multiple championships. The Suns just made a finals appearance last year. The Jazz have not been out of the second round of the playoffs since 2007.

I'm not saying the Jazz have no chance against these teams, but I would say our chances are definitely worse than a coin flip.
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The Clippers are a worse matchup for the Jazz than the suns. The Jazz are as good as any team in the league when they play the defensive scheme they want, i.e., rudy in the middle. Teams that have the tools to pull Rudy out of the middle are the teams the Jazz really have to worry about. The Clippers have a deep bench full of athletic wings and can play small. It was a nightmare for the Jazz, and totally neutralized one of their two best players. The other best player was injured, and Conly, their third or fourth best player, was injured. We still should have won. I think that game six blown lead and loss is the worst loss in Jazz history--and I think that largely because, had they won game six i think they would have won game 7, and I think they could have beaten the Suns, if Mitchell and Conley had recovered. The Suns do not have the tools to pull Rudy out of the paint. Their best lineup is one that Rudy can be very effective against. Mitchell/Booker, Gobert/Ayton, Paul/Conley, Bridges/Bogey. We match up fairly evenly against the Suns imo.

The Warriors worry me because they do have the tools to stretch the jazz out and neutralize Gobert. I don't know how to factor Klay into things. Thompson could be the piece that rockets the warriors into clear frontrunner status. But I did not feel like the Jazz were overmatched when they played earlier.
 
fallenchicken said:
Exactly. Phoenix is definitely playing better CURRENTLY, in the regular season. But the Jazz could absolutely compete with them in a playoff series. Honestly, it's a coinflip series. Golden state might be a little better than both teams, probably have a slightly better chance at winning in both series, but they aren't a juggernaut. Both Utah or Phoenix could take them down. There are a lot of teams in the west that are pretty good. But the top four teams (have to include Memphis the way Ja is playing--but we'll see), and maybe the mavs and the clippers if they are healthy, are all probably going to play really competitive, coinflip series. And the East is about even with the West too. There is parity in the nba, what we've all always wanted. And now people want to burn the team down because we aren't a juggernaut ourselves. Every team in the league has serious concerns. Every fanbase has something they are freaking out about. There is no Kevin Durant Golden State. That's ****ing exciting. Let's go!
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Tell me - who the hell on the Jazz is guarding Booker AND CP3??? They just made the finals, and have had significant injury time missed by both Booker and Ayton (Ayton got hurt yesterday with an ankle turn), and they still have the best record in the league.
 
lost what now, 5 out of the last 6? And last night against the worst defense in the league, or damn close to it? What the hell is going on? Snyder has lost the team, or he never had them, or something. We have stopped passing the ball, going for nearly 90% iso plays in one form or another, or drive and kick that leads us to pass up open 3 foot bunnies for contested corner 3's (Conley did this last night). What is the game plan anyway? What happened to the "blender"? I haven't even heard Bolerhack say blender in a long time. We were nigh unstoppable when we moved the ball and ran screen sets to get guys open looks. This hero ball/drive and kick/iso **** is not going to win us many games. What the **** is going on?
 
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