Are we really a contender?

[Handlogten's Heros]

lost what now, 5 out of the last 6? And last night against the worst defense in the league, or damn close to it? What the hell is going on? Snyder has lost the team, or he never had them, or something. We have stopped passing the ball, going for nearly 90% iso plays in one form or another, or drive and kick that leads us to pass up open 3 foot bunnies for contested corner 3's (Conley did this last night). What is the game plan anyway? What happened to the "blender"? I haven't even heard Bolerhack say blender in a long time. We were nigh unstoppable when we moved the ball and ran screen sets to get guys open looks. This hero ball/drive and kick/iso **** is not going to win us many games. What the **** is going on?

Switching defenses neuter the blender style. So then you need something different… so they get the matchup they like and go to work… and by go to work what I mean is Donovan or JC dribble the **** out of the ball and probably shoot a pull-up three or turn it over.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Small ball/five out kills our defense… switching style defenses hurt our offense. The teams at the top can execute these high level strategies… we can’t beat them well enough.

Phoenix has the point god so down the stretch they always get good looks. Unless we have a 8-10 point lead with 5 minutes left I don’t think we can close the game reliably against them. We’ve struggled in close games and against good teams. We just aren’t there.

It’s a great team… it’s a fun team. Almost surely headed for a second round exit. Plan accordingly and enjoy the ups… dont
let the downs destroy you.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

Maybe the key is to just watch through three quarters then turn the game off. We are so frustrating in the fourth, especially the Clarkson minutes as the lead dwindles and we careen toward the inevitable collapse. Meanwhile Quin sets wide eyed on the bench and wonders why his master plan is failing yet again.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think this is Quin in basically every game where to us it seems the wheels are falling off.



From his response both in game and in the press conferences afterward and in between, I think he feels like it is all part of the process. Some days we play with the odds and averages, some days we exceed them, some days we don't, and that is fine because over time the plan will generate more wins than losses. He misses the bigger picture that people are not statistics so we cannot rely on them always doing what you expect so that your results can average out, especially in the playoffs. Quin does not adapt because he doesn't feel he needs to. He can make major changes, like at half-time, but once the new scheme is figured out, or our guys are not executing properly, he doesn't have any other way to adapt, or he doesn't feel he needs to, so he rides it out and thinks "next game we will shoot better and win, and that will lead to our 65% planned win rate". He is a good strategist, but a terrible tactician, and unfortunately those coaches and teams that are better at adapting their in-the-moment tactics will beat him every time for this reason. I doubt we ever get out of the 2nd round with Quin as the coach mainly for this reason. There aren't enough games for it all to average out when your opponent does the unexpected and you don't have the tactics in your bag to counter it. "Stay the course" doesn't work when someone throws a huge log in the river in front of you.

 

[infection]

I think this is Quin in basically every game where to us it seems the wheels are falling off.

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From his response both in game and in the press conferences afterward and in between, I think he feels like it is all part of the process. Some days we play with the odds and averages, some days we exceed them, some days we don't, and that is fine because over time the plan will generate more wins than losses. He misses the bigger picture that people are not statistics so we cannot rely on them always doing what you expect so that your results can average out, especially in the playoffs. Quin does not adapt because he doesn't feel he needs to. He can make major changes, like at half-time, but once the new scheme is figured out, or our guys are not executing properly, he doesn't have any other way to adapt, or he doesn't feel he needs to, so he rides it out and thinks "next game we will shoot better and win, and that will lead to our 65% planned win rate". He is a good strategist, but a terrible tactician, and unfortunately those coaches and teams that are better at adapting their in-the-moment tactics will beat him every time for this reason. I doubt we ever get out of the 2nd round with Quin as the coach mainly for this reason. There aren't enough games for it all to average out when your opponent does the unexpected and you don't have the tactics in your bag to counter it. "Stay the course" doesn't work when someone throws a huge log in the river in front of you.

Nah, a house fire is a really big anomaly. The house shouldn’t be on fire in the next half or the next game. We’ll be fine. Since house fires are so rare, it’s going to extinguish itself, so don’t even bother looking for an emergency exit.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think this is Quin in basically every game where to us it seems the wheels are falling off.

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From his response both in game and in the press conferences afterward and in between, I think he feels like it is all part of the process. Some days we play with the odds and averages, some days we exceed them, some days we don't, and that is fine because over time the plan will generate more wins than losses. He misses the bigger picture that people are not statistics so we cannot rely on them always doing what you expect so that your results can average out, especially in the playoffs. Quin does not adapt because he doesn't feel he needs to. He can make major changes, like at half-time, but once the new scheme is figured out, or our guys are not executing properly, he doesn't have any other way to adapt, or he doesn't feel he needs to, so he rides it out and thinks "next game we will shoot better and win, and that will lead to our 65% planned win rate". He is a good strategist, but a terrible tactician, and unfortunately those coaches and teams that are better at adapting their in-the-moment tactics will beat him every time for this reason. I doubt we ever get out of the 2nd round with Quin as the coach mainly for this reason. There aren't enough games for it all to average out when your opponent does the unexpected and you don't have the tactics in your bag to counter it. "Stay the course" doesn't work when someone throws a huge log in the river in front of you.

This was something refreshing about Sloan, he had no problem calling a spade a spade. If they were jackpotting around he called them out for it. He benched people. In short, he managed his team to work the plan.

Maybe the problem isn't Quin's management, but the plan itself.

 

[infection]

I only follow a few Twitter Jazz people but a lot of stuff ends up in my feed. Today I saw this:



Reading through those tweets I had two main thoughts:

1. They seem bad, but they’ve always been true.

2. How long will everyone continue to tolerate watching Rudy Gobert getting nailed to Quin Snyder’s cross?

 

[416Klawzz]

We are not contenders but with this lineup and coach we are pretenders

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Yeah I take back my yes answer. It’s not necessarily losing. But it’s the not trying and seemingly not really giving af that seems way too common for a contender

 

[Jingled]

Does anyone who voted yes still truly believe this team can win a championship this season?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Does anyone who voted yes still truly believe this team can win a championship this season?

 

[KqWIN]

Does anyone who voted yes still truly believe this team can win a championship this season?

I've given up. I've always said that it's never as good or as bad as it seems....but these recent loses are horrendous and I think the team is aware that the end is coming soon. They just aren't mentally tough enough to get out of this. Wouldn't surprise me if several players and Quin are already thinking about what's next. Boston was in a very bad spot early this year and pulled it together. Now they're playing like the best team in the league. I think the Jazz also have that potential in them, but like I said, just too mentally weak and it looks like they're all mentally checked out and ready for the next chapter. If this roster was focused and committed to winning it would be one thing, but it's so late in the season and all we've seen is more quit. Hell, even Rudy looks like he doesn't want to compete anymore. Beyond all that, this team just isn't as talented as good as it was last year with Joe gone and Conley aged.

It's highly likely the Jazz will end up as first round underdogs, and I think it would be a big upset to beat GSW or DAL at this point. Winning three more series after that is unthinkable.