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Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?

In any culture where a group is limited, narrowly defined, or segregated, hatred of that group is the inevitable byproduct of those efforts.


So you are saying that every time a group is limited it leads to hatred of that group. Makes perfect sense. I can think of no exceptions to this wisdom. Oh my.
 
If you have sexism, misogyny will be present.

It is not at all possible that sexism is a broader construct that includes cases of prejudice that is not based on hatred, but, say, instead, stupidity, or even simply mindless habit. For example, in my family the boys were not required to do the dishes, but rather did yard work. This was clearly sexism without misogyny or hatred.
 
LOL at those claiming American values...WTH? What are American Values? This country has just as many F'd up retards as any other. I see it every day in Vegas. It is a wasteland for ANY values. Ive seen the same thing in many large cities Ive spent time in. We like to pretend we lead the world in how one should live, but damn we have some seriously messed up politicians, laws and citizens.

I don't think I could live in Las Vegas. The cheesyness gets to me within 12 hours usually.
 
It completely escapes you that men are considered more funny and interesting, culturally, by dint of being men, than women saying the same things in the same way? Yes, this has been studied.

Wait. Women can be funny? I thought they just laughed at men's jokes when they're in public.
 
I think there simply needs to be clarity within the couple as to what the gender roles are. I've seen issues where a woman is with a man who has different cultural expectations as to how a woman is supposed to behave, as well as what role she is supposed to have within a family, than the woman herself has. This can lead to problems in the relationship. I see this as cultural differences rather than ethnic differences.

For example, historically German men have had certain expectations of their German wives to be homemakers and child raisers. I've seen Indian men expect to make the major decisions about where the couple will live and what their priorities are, rather than it being a 50-50 decision. Etc. So it's a question of whether the two of them (the couple) are on the same page in terms of how they make decisions and how they treat one another.
 
I'll be honest. I wouldn't be happy with my daughter dating or marrying a black guy who acted real black, like in a hip-hop, rap type of way. But if the guy seemed educated and loving, yeah, probably. Why wouldn't I?
 
I'll be honest. I wouldn't be happy with my daughter dating or marrying a black guy who acted real black, like in a hip-hop, rap type of way. But if the guy seemed educated and loving, yeah, probably. Why wouldn't I?

Wow........





Explains a lot!!
 
I do find that thousands upon thousands of years from now (if the Earth was still churning along which I doubt it will be because of a world of dumbasses), the melding of races into one brown people, will be both beautiful and sad. Beautiful in the sense that it will sort of be symbolic of how we've become color blind as a people and united, though the latter would still not be the case because people will find somethng to hate. Sad in the sense that what makes us each unique, and distinctly different, our races and cultures and so forth, will have been a thing of the past. For the most part anyway.
 
The definitions even you posted use the words hatred, prejudice and dislike.

I know you're a bright person, and like to think of yourself as honest. So, why do you think you skipped over words like "mistrust", "contempt", and "prejudice"? When the second example from the dictionary specifically referred to organized, patriarchal religions, did you think this is because these religions hang out signs that say "He-Man Women haters Club"?

as silesian said

Very few words have meaning determined precisely by their etymology.

You have your perspective, and are trying to push it and say it is truth. Go ahead, you are entitled to it, but it is your own opinion.

No, not just my opinion. I'm relating the opinions of the vast majority of people who seriously study the issue, to the best of my highly limited ability.

I can say for a fact that there is no hatred of women from the LDS religion, veiled or unveiled, and I strongly believe there is not a hatred of women in other religions as well.

Of course not. When Catholic hospitals let a woman die rather than perform an abortion, they do it while they love women. When Muslims treat the word of a female witness as being half as valuable as that of a male witness, they do it while they love women. When some Ultra-Orthodox Jewish sects force all their married women to shave their heads, they do it while they love women. When various Protestant factions exert pressure to not send daughters to college, they do it while they love women. Occasionally you'll get some splinter group that allows polygyny but not polyandry, and they do it while they love women. So, perhaps you'll understand why saying "we don't hate women" doesn't actually mean much. Or not.

You may try to portray it that way, but your opinion is based only on your point of view which from what I can tell is very limited when it comes to the LDS Church/culture/religion.

Sure. But on any given day, I'll find fifteen different posts by the men in this culture, insulting each other using terms that indicate some female quality or another. In fact, I see no reason to think the LDS are less misogynistic that, say the Catholics. Still, you love women.

It is my opinion that you see any perceived inequality between men and women as a form of hatred towards them. I don't see it that way at all. I see it as us playing different roles, and while we may do many things together or the same, there are things we each can do that help us work as a team.

It's so nice that you dress up your mistrust, contempt, and prejudice in nice terms. I'm sure that makes it all better.

To put this in a basketball perspective, I see it as you saying Corbin hates Al Jefferson because it's not fair that he doesn't get a fair shake at running the point, or playing the 2 or 3. That is not hatred towards Al, that is just smart not to put him in those positions. Is this a perfect comparison... no, but it serves my purpose.

Yet, at about the same height, Durant is allowed to occasionally run the point (in contrast to, say, Cliff Robinson from 20 years ago).

Not buying it, it sounds nice, but I have never seen any evidence of you considering anything presented to you. I have only seen you fight to the bitter end whatever point you want to champion.

Considering what you saw of the dictionary definitions, I'm not overwhelmed by your observational powers. However, feel free to try an experiment: present some evidence.

Go ahead and find it rude, I don't care. (now that was rude)

Oddly, I didn't find that rude at all. You are under no obligation to care, except to the degree it enhances communication.

You tell me, you are the one seeing what you see, and saying what you say.

True, but that doesn't mean I want to see it that way. Some truths are uncomfortable or unfortunate.
 
Do some women? Sure. However some do not. It is very much a case by case scenario.

Unless the woman stepping down has some form of protection not available to most women, the vast majority of the time stepping down leads to varying degrees of condemnation. For example, I've heard "tramp stamp" in this forum more than once.

However you used the word inevitable. By that word usage every male member of the Mormon church is a mysogonist. Are there some? Of course. Are they all? Obviously no. So it is not inevitable.

As for your do some research comment. If that "research" leads me to the same misguided, illogical conclussions you have on certain issues than no thank you.

There is a difference between "inevitable" and "universal". Further, while it would likely be an uphill battle that would render such a person wildly unpopular, I would not be surprised if there were not a small percentage of Mormon men who refused to participate in the misogynistic aspects of Mormon culture.

However, I am disappointed that you think the result determines the value of the evidence, rather than the evidence determining the value of the result.
 
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