Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?

[One Brow]

So it is no longer inevitable. Good to know. Also no it is not a sign of mistrust. Sweet Jesus. If it was mistrust would they be allowed to give talks during religious services, lead groups in prayer, teach gospel lessons, be placed in positions of authority over the youth of the church in many cases? No they would not.

Is every male who gives a talk a bishop, or does the office of bishop indicate a higher level of trust than that of speaking to the congregation (I honestly don't know the answer)? Even for the JWs, where women are not allowed to speak to the congregation as a whole, have women engage in a public talk with each other while on a stage in from of the congregation. Does that make their rule not misogynistic?

As for the other three, you see them in even the most oppressive of religions.

Do you know why women are not allowed to be bishops? What's the basis, besides a lack of trust that a woman can handle the role?

 

[One Brow]

I think society could use a lot more chivalry and less PC ******** which is what you are peddling here.

As long as you are with your own kind, no biggie. I prefer to treat women as my equals, with potentials as great as mine, and fully autonomous beings.

 

[Scat]

Do you know why women are not allowed to be bishops? What's the basis, besides a lack of trust that a woman can handle the role?

That God has ordained it. Now you can argue that God is a misogynist.

 

[Tarkanian]

Muslims love you long time, Israelis are hot, too.

**** it,
I may be an ethnic Armenian guy, whose granddaddy converted to Islam like 300 years ago, whereas your Jewish Dr. Schwartz, whose daddy escaped from a certain German dictator, could have Khazari Turkish origins (Arthur Koestler, The 13. Tribe). Those Turks used to be pagans and prolly had some Mongolian blood in their veins as well.
yeah bring on the race card!

 

[One Brow]

Speaking from the standpoint of gaining an understanding of the opposite sex.

Since you just indicated that you weren't willing to do research if it led to a conclusion where I was right, try an experiment. Ask your wife if women understand men better than men understand women. Have her get answers from, say four other women. Then, instead of arguing with them, think about why the women would feel that way.

 

[The Midnight]

I personally do not care what race as long as they are good to my daughters and treat them right. I once married a woman of a different race. Mmm...

 

[One Brow]

Bingo!

I'm hoping the explanation is that he's using the term "misogyny" to mean something other than hatred. I.e., maybe that word doesn't mean what he thinks it means. ;-)

Another possible explanation is that I'm using the word exactly as it is supposed to be used, and not limiting myself to some almost-fictional caricature of what the word means.

Honestly, s the definition is being interpreted by some in here, i could make an argument that Ted Bundy was not misogynistic.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Muslims love you long time, Israelis are hot, too.

**** it,
I may be an ethnic Armenian guy, whose granddaddy converted to Islam like 300 years ago, whereas your Jewish Dr. Schwartz, whose daddy escaped from a certain German dictator, could have Khazari Turkish origins (Arthur Koestler, The 13. Tribe). Those Turks used to be pagans and prolly had some Mongolian blood in their veins as well.
yeah bring on the race card!

Unpossible!

 

[One Brow]

So you are saying that every time a group is limited it leads to hatred of that group. Makes perfect sense. I can think of no exceptions to this wisdom. Oh my.

Sarcasm is great, but I am curious as to what you think those exceptions are.

 

[One Brow]

It is not at all possible that sexism is a broader construct that includes cases of prejudice that is not based on hatred, but, say, instead, stupidity, or even simply mindless habit. For example, in my family the boys were not required to do the dishes, but rather did yard work. This was clearly sexism without misogyny or hatred.

Dig deeper. Why that particular habit? Why wasn't it a habit for women to do yard work and men to do dishes?

 

[One Brow]

Age will do that to one's body.

Yeah, there too.

 

[One Brow]

That God has ordained it. Now you can argue that God is a misogynist.

You spoke to God personally, or did you take the word of a man on this?

 

[underKANTER]

No one could choose his nationality, race, skin color, look and religion when he or she was born.

What all have in common is that all of them are human beings.

So, I don't give a *** about these meaningless things!

 

[Scat]

You spoke to God personally, or did you take the word of a man on this?

I was just giving a possible reason why women are not bishops.

 

[silesian]

Who are the vast majority of experts?

One Brow,

My view is that you are both confusing and conflating sexism and misogyny and your insistence that misogyny can exist without hatred is contrary to the meaning of misogyny (in both common and academic usage).

Since you have knowledge of the "opinions of the vast majority of people who seriously study the issue," I am sure you are familiar with Princeton's Glick and Fisk and their work on ambivalent sexism and their expressed views that hostile sexism reflects misogyny and benevolent misogyny does not.

Would you please tell us who you have included in the vast majority of authorities that support your thesis?

Thank you.

 

[Stoked]

One Brow,

My view is that you are both confusing and conflating sexism and misogyny and your insistence that misogyny can exist without hatred is contrary to the meaning of misogyny (in both common and academic usage).

Since you have knowledge of the "opinions of the vast majority of people who seriously study the issue," I am sure you are familiar with Princeton's Glick and Fisk and their work on ambivalent sexism and their expressed views that hostile sexism reflects misogyny and benevolent misogyny does not.

Would you please tell us who you have included in the vast majority of authorities that support your thesis?

Thank you.

One Brow likes to believe that we are all sexist, racist hateful people. Especially white males. It is in our DNA and is therefore inescapable. I find this line of thinking to be crap. Well written crap but still crap. He may buy into that crap but I most certainly do not.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I know you're a bright person, and like to think of yourself as honest. So, why do you think you skipped over words like "mistrust", "contempt", and "prejudice"? When the second example from the dictionary specifically referred to organized, patriarchal religions, did you think this is because these religions hang out signs that say "He-Man Women haters Club"?

Your second example that refers to patriarchal religions was not a definition, it was an opinion of one person that was quoted. It could be you quoted there for all I care, it's an opinion, and in my opinion it is wrong.

I in fact did not skip over those other words and in fact included prejudice specifically in my reply, but mistrust and contempt change nothing of what I said.

I'm just going to stop here. You can go ahead and play your word games. You can look for examples of bad things that have and continue to go on and call it hatred towards women. I still think you will see what you want to see.

As for my point of view, from here I see absolutely no hatred, mistrust, contempt, or prejudice (did I miss any?) towards women from me, from the LDS Church/religion/culture. If you think so it is because you don't understand the LDS Church/religion/culture, and that you see "hatred, etc.." where you could be seeing respect, love, appreciation, and support.

I still think you see what you want to see. You say you don't but your words ring hollow considering the constant arguments about it. You cannot or will not see things from another point of view.

How about this... you post what you think my point of view is and why I don't see misogyny in religion or specifically the LDS Church, and I will post to the best of my point of view why you see it. Fair?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Ill start... I'm One Brow

Because I feel that anything other than perfect equality between men and women is a downgrade to one or the other, anything that men do that women do not do must be a slight to the women, and anything that women do that men do must also be a slight to the women. Because of this inequality there must be some form of contempt, hatred, mistrust, or prejudice in that culture against women, which is by my definition misogyny.

Is that good, or do I need to expound?

Thanks, One Brow for a day.

 

[Stoked]

Ill start... I'm One Brow

Because I feel that anything other than perfect equality between men and women is a downgrade to one or the other, anything that men do that women do not do must be a slight to the women, and anything that women do that men do must also be a slight to the women. Because of this inequality there must be some form of contempt, hatred, mistrust, or prejudice in that culture against women, which is by my definition misogyny.

Is that good, or do I need to expound?

Thanks, One Brow for a day.

You forgot to somehow include his extensive studies on the subject and white guys being racist lol.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Thanks for ruining my thread guys, ****. Honorary negreps to all of you.