Are you worried about your cholesterol?

[Deleted member 848]

https://www.uwhealth.org/nutrition-diet/the-reality-behind-gluten-free-diets/31084



For people who must follow a diet like this, or choose to go all-in sure they can replace the nutrients, but it takes more work to balance the diet in those case.

It takes more work than what? It's interesting, because you keep referring to adopting a gluten-free diet as an alternative to something that "ordinary people" normally eat. Can you please illustrate what this traditional diet is?

People who go in as a fad diet run a greater risk of not replacing those nutrients as they are just buying "gluten-free" thinking it is automatically more healthy, which it is not.

Yes, but what about the nutrients that they are receiving from the gluten-free diet that they did not receive earlier in their old diet?

Again, to re-iterate my point: A person who does not pay attention to their diet to ensure that they are covering their necessary nutritional requirements, will be risking their health whether they stick to their 'mainstream' diet, adopt a gluten-free one, a macrobiotic one, a paleolithic diet, a vegan diet, or whatever it may be. The specific nutritional requirements that you are missing out on will vary from diet to diet, but to suggest that aimlessly following a gluten-free diet is more risky than aimlessly following a traditional American diet is intellectually-disingenious.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Wonder what franklin thinks about this topic.

 

[franklin]

Wonder what franklin thinks about this topic.

Pretty much don't give a damn. Been real interested in what you think doe.

 

[fishonjazz]

Pretty much don't give a damn. Been real interested in what you think doe.

Lol

 

[UGLI baby]

Interested in what Heaven Harris thinks of this, tbh.

 

[Dr. Jones]

lol... great stuff here.

 

[franklin]

Pretty much don't give a damn. Been real interested in what you think doe.

That read wrong. Meant I don't give a damn about cholesterol or diet.

 

[infection]

While I agree somewhat with your sentiment regarding cholesterol specifically, I think the gist of what you're saying is a little off-base. It's been well known that higher LDL (bad cholesterol) is associated with increased morbidity and mortality due to cardiovascular causes (heart attack, stroke, etc.) The question is whether or not artificially lowering LDL levels actually changes outcome. Surprisingly, nothing's really ever shown that. Well, except statins, that have pretty good evidence for reducing morbidity and mortality. In this sense I believe you are correct in that people, and often times providers, get caught up in treating lab values. This is one reason why we keep treating high cholesterol with other medications that lower levels but don't improve outcomes -- because we're focusing so much in cholesterol when in reality cholesterol is just a correlate. A large part is genetic, as well, as you can eat well and exercise but still be at significant risk for heart attack or stroke. The lowest LDL I've ever seen (30) was in a woman on no cholesterol medications who had a heart attack.

So, if you're question is whether the focus on cholesterol is justified or not, the answer is both yes and no.

 

[♪alt13]

How long did you go?

Almost 5 months. The only things I really "gave up" was flour tortillas, hamburgers, and pizza. Though I did eat bread and pasta before it was never really a staple for me.

With what you described is going on in your body, I would highly recommend you read this book. Nothing gimmicky, just lays out some of the science'y stuff in an understandable way. It's basically advocating the paleo diet.

I looked up the Paleo diet and it actually looks like what I prefer to eat. Most of my diet is meat and vegetables. I am not really a pasta guy though I do eat a lot of potatoes(not sure if that's a nono). I do eat a fair amount of cheese,never milk, and should definitely remove refined sugars from my diet.

I have had chronic pain/migraine issues since I was a child and I honestly have given up hope of it ever getting any better. I may read the book but I am done getting myself all excited that I can feel any different. At a certain point you just learn to live with it. You can't exactly ignore it, but you can(on most days)grin and bear it. I am fairly well of the opinion now that my problems are probably largely genetic and the stress of trying to fix them is not only futile but also a distraction.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

Well, americans spend most money on statins and other cholesterol lowering drugs...maybe you should stick to religious subjects?
And have you ever been to any other part of the world? There is McDonalds on every corner in Japan or UK as well FYI.

While I have annihilated you in religious debate and circumcision I have also annihilated you in this debate. I link evidence for my proof while you resort to fallacies. (another example is here you straw manned me I never said Mcdonalds didn't exist in Japan). Just look at the restaurant per capita in US compared to Japan and Norway. The American statistic is just restaurants while the other countries are fast food so the la times article may be misleading, going to have to read the article in the bottom.

https://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/22/news/la-heb-obesity-fast-food-20111222

 

[Deleted member 848]

Almost 5 months. The only things I really "gave up" was flour tortillas, hamburgers, and pizza. Though I did eat bread and pasta before it was never really a staple for me.

I looked up the Paleo diet and it actually looks like what I prefer to eat. Most of my diet is meat and vegetables. I am not really a pasta guy though I do eat a lot of potatoes(not sure if that's a nono). I do eat a fair amount of cheese,never milk, and should definitely remove refined sugars from my diet.

I have had chronic pain/migraine issues since I was a child and I honestly have given up hope of it ever getting any better. I may read the book but I am done getting myself all excited that I can feel any different. At a certain point you just learn to live with it. You can't exactly ignore it, but you can(on most days)grin and bear it. I am fairly well of the opinion now that my problems are probably largely genetic and the stress of trying to fix them is not only futile but also a distraction.

Even if your problem is "genetic", there is bound to be some environments that ease the symptoms more than others.


Keep experimenting with different diets, man. I hope you stumble onto something that works for you


PS: I know someone who had headaches for most of their life-- and they stopped after he didn't eat ANY dairy or wheat. Anecdotal? Yes-- but it's worth some thought.

 

[franklin]

Da hell is this paleo diet? Eat like a cave monkey and get goiter, become anemic, and permanent diarrhea?