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The Thriller

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At least no harm has befallen the guns. Thoughts and prayers because our country refuses to regulate guns like other industrialized countries. Just heartbreaking. And frustrating because deep down we all know the solution but we either can’t speak out against our tribe or we know that legislative and judicial branches will fail in enacting gun control.

 


LogGrad98

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23rd of the year in the country I think they said. 6th in Cali alone. I guess Cali's stricter gun laws don't do much to restrict mass shootings.
 

LogGrad98

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When someone steps forward in situations like this, I ask myself “what would I do?”. I think the guy who disarmed the shooter had the split second understanding to do the only thing he could do. To live.

A couple of interviews.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bruu2zHzDBQ


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wiIEw6rHSaw

The struggle…

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=odPTr3Wij94

Crazy. Sounds like he followed the mantra "hide, run fight", and was at the "fight" stage no matter what. I would hope I would do the same thing. I am kind of a nihilist so I would probably go looking for the guy.
 

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At this point I feel like im more likely to die from a random stranger randomly shooting me than I am to die from covid or myocartis or the vaccine combined. Yet it seems no one wants to really talk about it or do anything about it.
Of course I have always been in the camp of "nothing can be done about it" so I have nothing regarding solutions.
 

LogGrad98

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At this point I feel like im more likely to die from a random stranger randomly shooting me than I am to die from covid or myocartis or the vaccine combined. Yet it seems no one wants to really talk about it or do anything about it.
Of course I have always been in the camp of "nothing can be done about it" so I have nothing regarding solutions.
That is part of the problem, no one has a solution. Trying to confiscate guns will precipitate an armed response from many people, and will result in only the law-abiding citizens getting their guns taken away, add to that the constitutional aspect and that is a non-starter. With millions and millions of guns already in the hands of owners, restricting gun sales will only be a minor inconvenience for people who really want to get guns. You could try to limit ammo, maybe a tax on it or a waiting period or you can only have so much at one time, but even then you are still likely looking at people having hundreds of rounds instead of thousands, and a possible armed uprising against it. Then talking about the mental health side of things, we have been clamoring for decades to get a better response to mental health issues, but we are as far, or farther, away on that than we are on race relations and look where that is right now. Really the outlook is incredibly bleak. I don't think that means we don't start at all, but man will it just be baby steps when you think about the influence we can actually have on any of this at the legislative level.
 

LogGrad98

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That is part of the problem, no one has a solution. Trying to confiscate guns will precipitate an armed response from many people, and will result in only the law-abiding citizens getting their guns taken away, add to that the constitutional aspect and that is a non-starter. With millions and millions of guns already in the hands of owners, restricting gun sales will only be a minor inconvenience for people who really want to get guns. You could try to limit ammo, maybe a tax on it or a waiting period or you can only have so much at one time, but even then you are still likely looking at people having hundreds of rounds instead of thousands, and a possible armed uprising against it. Then talking about the mental health side of things, we have been clamoring for decades to get a better response to mental health issues, but we are as far, or farther, away on that than we are on race relations and look where that is right now. Really the outlook is incredibly bleak. I don't think that means we don't start at all, but man will it just be baby steps when you think about the influence we can actually have on any of this at the legislative level.
My opinion on the escalation of this **** in recent years is it is facilitated by social media. Many of these guys want to be on the news, they want the notoriety, they see others get their 15 minutes of fame, and want to get that same validation. Many of them suffer from mental health issues, I guarantee depression is part and parcel, and I think they see others get recognition and validation as doing something big, and they want that same feeling, to feel like they did something and made people take notice of them. And for the world to see how they righted their perceived wrongs in their lives. I am not saying this is 100% the entirety of what is really a highly-complex issue with many facets, but it is one facet at least, nonetheless. And a large one for many of them, imho. Even all the way back to Columbine where a driving force there was who would make the movie about their lives and which actors would play them in the movie. Hell, look at the Christchurch shooting that was broadcast in facebook live or whatever, others have done the same thing. Even things like suicides, with the spate of people hanging themselves on live stream through social media a few years ago.

IMO social media is a bane and a cancer on society, where the negatives so far outweigh the positives that you almost cannot even measure it. And if we have a real downfall as a society it will be one of the major components of it, if not the ultimate driving force.
 

gandalfe

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This happens so frequently that the Onion just posts this every time, with the locations and details changed.


 

The Thriller

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23rd of the year in the country I think they said. 6th in Cali alone. I guess Cali's stricter gun laws don't do much to restrict mass shootings.
I’m guessing that many of the guns come from gun show loopholes and state with little to no gun regulation. And at this pt, it might not matter what states do because guns have saturated every inch of this country. Without federal law and national programs, I don’t think we can begin to solve this issue. Yet another example of “sTaTeS’ rIgHtS” failing.
 

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I’m guessing that many of the guns come from gun show loopholes and state with little to no gun regulation. And at this pt, it might not matter what states do because guns have saturated every inch of this country. Without federal law and national programs, I don’t think we can begin to solve this issue. Yet another example of “sTaTeS’ rIgHtS” failing.
I'm guessing that gun show loopholes are involved less than 1% of the time.

If you care to, Thriller, please explain how the gun show loopholes work in your opinion.

Most guns purchased at gun shows are subject to a background check. Being at a gun show in and of itself does not provide any relief from background checks. People should stop calling it a gun show loophole because it has nothing to do with gun shows specifically. A private citizen can sell their personally owned firearms to another private citizen without a background check. A FFL holder (someone with a license to sell firearms commercially) must do background checks on all guns they sell, even at gun shows. And no, the FFL holder can't claim it is their personal gun and sell it without a background check.
 


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