At what point is it time to get concerned about Hayward?

[Mission Accomplished]

Hayward is so overrated. I would rather have Hood and Burks in the lineup any day of the week. He lost the Detroit game with his poor free-throw shooting. I'm still waiting on him to do anything that blows my mind. He is a white CJ Miles. Heck CJ has turned out to be a better player then Hayward is too this point of his career.

But, let the love feast of Hayward continue....

 

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Hayward is so overrated. I would rather have Hood and Burks in the lineup any day of the week. He lost the Detroit game with his poor free-throw shooting. I'm still waiting on him to do anything that blows my mind. He is a white CJ Miles. Heck CJ has turned out to be a better player then Hayward is too this point of his career.

But, let the love feast of Hayward continue....

Lol. Love feast.

 

[Doublea]

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but Hayward played really good defense on PG last night. It really looks like Hood and Burks are taking a lot of the load off of him, so I think he's going to adjust his game a bit. He's doing less ball handling this year than last.

 

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[Game6Conley]

@silesian

If you fail to see the connection - I'll break it down for you:

Who cares about middle of the pack offensive efficiency?? I certainly don't. That seems like a 'regular season stat' thru and thru.. Unless your on the extreme ends of the spectrum, It doesn't mean **** once you hit the playoffs, certainly not vs a team like the Warriors..


E.G. The Jazz had the 9th best offensive efficiency in the league in 2011-2012, then proceeded to score under 90 ppg in a 4 game sweep to the Spurs.. Haywards fingerprints were all over that too.. (Favors showed up to play that series though)..


Y'all seem to avoid talking about the playoffs and playoff scenarios quite a bit(yet I see constant hyper-critical complaints about the rookies).. As A Yankees fan, I think its hysterical.

I've learned its prudent not to just pay attention to your team, but the field -- and the Warriors are a pristine example, because you could argue they were the standard of excellence in the league wire-to-wire last season... Plus The Warriors team dynamic, is built to break the Jazz team dynamic, no?? quite easily IMO - Their an awful matchup for Utah in a 7 game series, even if they make a few upgrades...

 

[Game6Conley]

More of an all around team game being played with a clear focus on Favors. I don't see that as regression, I see it as game planning by the coaching staff.

Definitely one of the best posts in this thread. Pretty much why I made it, I chose to word it a bit differently though..

I certainly would be SHOCKED if Haywards play fell off markedly... I'm thinking his stats kinda 'come back to earth' though, someone else noted his usage rate is down.. Alec's back, Hood will get more minutes. I don't see how he's gonna score 20ppg, unless there's injuries..

I've noted already in this thread - a steady progression of stats like Favors and Hayward have been doing the past few years, is more of an indicator for the Big, than the wing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Utah is not and never will be a team like the Knicks where everything goes through a wannabe superstar like Carmello and then they wonder why they lost. The Jazz have always had a mentality of team first ball. Whether you score 4 points or 40 is irrelevant in our offensive approach of ball movement and easy baskets.

let me ask you though, honestly --- Hows that worked for them over the years?!????? Is that what you'd classify as 'championship winning basketball'??

This is a proven recipe for disaster in the playoffs ..Its a fallacy anyways, If the Jazz had Kevin Durant they'd feed him all the shots he wanted.. obviously..

Jazz gonna show up to a sword fight with the plan to inflict 100 paper cuts??

If what you've surmised is true - I say the proper course of action is to find a possible 1st option offense to rely on. To rely fully on team basketball in the playoffs is a foolhardy idea, there's too many moving parts involved, too much room for error -- A chain is only as strong as its weakest link...

 

[Revolution 9]

If you think we're bad head on over to the Clutchfans. They are calling him "James Frauden" after 3 games...

I always recommend going to Clutchfans anyways. Its like an anti-depressant. You will feel better about yourself,
and your fan base after.

 

[BTP]

James Hardashian is more accurate.

 

[Game6Conley]

Also, I nearly guarantee Hayward has at least a 20 point game vs. teh Blazers.

Home game and the Blazers aren't very good defensively. Hayward is going to take a **** on Aminu (coincidentally one of the players PGAB was unmistakably correct about). Jazz will get out on the break more behind the energy of the crowd and Hayward will get some early buckets and more whistles than he has been getting on the road.

You seem like the type of person who's into supermarket check-out line tabloids.. I fixed your post. I was on this forum blowing the whistle about Aminu looking for aMINUMUM deal at 23 years old, at that time they were saying nobody really wanted him..... do you think Trevor Bookers next deal is going to look like Aminu's?? they paid booker almost 5x as much... Aminu played WAAAAAAY over his pay grade for NO and Dallas(was only making about 1 mil per..).. Now he's a starting SF in the league, with a 4 year 30 mil contract, and he just turned 25..

Plus he's a super high character player, I said back then he'd never complain about minutes at-all he's not like that, he's just a pro. thru and thru, he's no bust either as many have previously espoused.



Yall ****ers told me in those threads he couldnt shoot(from three and from the FT line)... dude's 5/10 from 3 so far and 10/11 from the FT line

 

[Game6Conley]

If you think we're bad head on over to the Clutchfans. They are calling him "James Frauden" after 3 games...

I always recommend going to Clutchfans anyways. Its like an anti-depressant. You will feel better about yourself,
and your fan base after.

Harden was out partying til the wee hours on Halloween.. If those rockets fans are aware of that, they should be kinda pissed.

 

[fishonjazz]

To rely fully on team basketball in the playoffs is a foolhardy idea

The spurs say hello.

But actually, I agree with you. We need an actually true super star, alpha, go to guy on offense.
Until we get that guy I think we will just have good regular seasons and make the playoffs and maybe some conference finals, but never win it all

 

[Game6Conley]

Wtf are you talking about? Hayward never played in a playoff series against Cleveland or LeBron. Yes, George, sure. You need to clarify this post. In any case, you can't compare early Hayward with current Hayward. He has improved tremendously since then.

.. Whats there to clarify ?? I'm surprised by these type of responses, are the Jazz an expansion team or something? It seems like y'all are downplaying the importance of the playoffs in this thread..(could that be results based?!?) --- I'm shocked at how wide-spread it is.

Y'all really need me to spoon feed you this simple logic, which I understood before turning 10... So be it

Paul George, in the biggest games in his career demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he can put a team on his back, and pushed the Heat to a game 7.. Hayward has nothing like that on his resume. He hasn't yet figured out how to win in the playoffs, or even shoot a decent %, he's just a good regular season player til proven otherwise... He's never demonstrated that type of poise, mettle or leadership in those extreme circumstances, In the one chance he had, to prove himself vs tested playoff competition(The Spurs) he couldn't have performed worse, he was totally stifled by the situation, while George rose to the occasion many times over in that run which solidified his status as effective "First option offense".