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sportsnut1232 said:
He does deserve credit for this. But then why can't he do something as simple as adjust our starting lineup?
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Remember when last year Wes playing great when he started early because of some injuries, but because Brewer was penciled in as a starter, Wes lost minutes and starting spot when Brewer was healthy. Not until KOC traded Brewer away did Sloan go back to Wes as a starter and gave him consistent minutes. And the team actually got better. Now Wes is averaging 20 ppg as a starter in just his second year. Now Sloan is doing the same thing with Hayward. Rookie actually showed he can contribute as good or better than Bell when given an opportunity, but Sloan still insists on starting and playing Bell more. I just don't get it.
 
Borat said:
Remember when last year Wes playing great when he started early because of some injuries, but because Brewer was penciled in as a starter, Wes lost minutes and starting spot when Brewer was healthy. Not until KOC traded Brewer away did Sloan go back to Wes as a starter and gave him consistent minutes. And the team actually got better. Now Wes is averaging 20 ppg as a starter in just his second year. Now Sloan is doing the same thing with Hayward. Rookie actually showed he can contribute as good or better than Bell when given an opportunity, but Sloan still insists on starting and playing Bell more. I just don't get it.
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For what it's worth, I think the team was actually peaking last year with Brewer in the starting lineup and then we traded him away, ya know, for the betterment of the team. That said, the trade did make sense in that we had no shot at a title and perhaps were set on not re-signing him.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
For what it's worth, I think the team was actually peaking last year with Brewer in the starting lineup and then we traded him away, ya know, for the betterment of the team. That said, the trade did make sense in that we had no shot at a title and perhaps were set on not re-signing him.
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The trade made us better, because it allowed Wes to play more. We were better short term, and certainly had we kept Wes, we would have benefited long term as well. Perhaps something similar will happen to Hayward. But it looks like KOC has to trade Bell to find out.
 
Borat said:
The trade made us better, because it allowed Wes to play more. We were better short term, and certainly had we kept Wes, we would have benefited long term as well. Perhaps something similar will happen to Hayward. But it looks like KOC has to trade Bell to find out.
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My point is we were a better team before the Brewer trade.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
If KOC would get off his *** and do a trade for SJax, we'd be better than what we've been. Do you really think SJax would stand for this mediocrity? Kid could would threaten AK if that Flock o' Seagulls ever once lollygagged or cried in an interview. We need more athleticism and skill at the two or three and SJax brings that. Start him at the 3 and Hayward at the 2 and we'd have guys busting their ***, shooting, etc. Then bring Bell (2), CJ (3) and AK (4) off the bench since AK and Bell supposedly play so well together and they get theirs too.

Nevermind, **** it, let's just continue with the status quo.
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no I don't want them to continue with the status quo. Just being realistic to what the Jazz achieved with what they had. I'd love to see the Jazz get another wing who could score and defend.
 
Borat said:
Remember when last year Wes playing great when he started early because of some injuries, but because Brewer was penciled in as a starter, Wes lost minutes and starting spot when Brewer was healthy. Not until KOC traded Brewer away did Sloan go back to Wes as a starter and gave him consistent minutes. And the team actually got better. Now Wes is averaging 20 ppg as a starter in just his second year. Now Sloan is doing the same thing with Hayward. Rookie actually showed he can contribute as good or better than Bell when given an opportunity, but Sloan still insists on starting and playing Bell more. I just don't get it.
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Yes that can't be good for Hayward's confidence. One night he plays the entire fourth quarter of a close game, then the next night he gets 6 minutes. The kid is super talented and has busted his butt, he deserves to be the starter. I honestly think with the way he's been playing he could help us more than Bell.
 
We have not regressed as a team but we haven't really gotten any better either. Jefferson has looked soft and AK has been incredibly inconsistent. As valuable as AK is when he is on his game, it just doesnt happen enough anymore. I think at this point we really should see if we can get something for him. I'm not sure what the bobcats would want in return but Stephen Jackson would be great. The cavaliers are also looking to blow things up. Could Mo Williams play the 2 next to Dwill?

Other options are Iguodala, Granger, and Rip Hamilton..
 
sportsnut1232 said:
Yes that can't be good for Hayward's confidence. One night he plays the entire fourth quarter of a close game, then the next night he gets 6 minutes. The kid is super talented and has busted his butt, he deserves to be the starter. I honestly think with the way he's been playing he could help us more than Bell.
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Great point. The other day Hayward started and got 17 points on good shooting, 6 boards, and 3 dimes. Granted it was just one game, but Bell started all year and never had even one game where he contributed this much. Only once in this entire year he scored as much or more, and he started every game he played. It's not like Bell is tearing it up and Hayward stinks. Lately they have produced about the same when given opportunity. One guy is 20 years old, the other is 34. Whom should we give more minutes to? It's really not that hard.
 
Borat said:
Great point. The other day Hayward started and got 17 points on good shooting, 6 boards, and 3 dimes. Granted it was just one game, but Bell started all year and never had even one game where he contributed this much. Only once in this entire year he scored as much or more, and he started every game he played. It's not like Bell is tearing it up and Hayward stinks. Lately they have produced about the same when given opportunity. One guy is 20 years old, the other is 34. Whom should we give more minutes to? It's really not that hard.
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The one thing I absolutely hate about Sloan is he is never willing to sacrifice the present to gain more in the future. So he'll stick with veterans, believing that's the best chance he has for a victory for that particular game. Next game - same thing. Look at Deron's rookie season. It took Larry yelling the word "fire" before Jerry decided DWill should be his starting PG.

What needs to happen NOW, RIGHT NOW is to bench Raja and AK. Neither are part of the future. AK's value won't drop. He only has value as an expiring contract for a bad team or an insurance policy for a contender. No change if he's a starter or backup. Start Hayward and start CJ. I know, I hate Miles' inconsistency, but at least he can get out and run and at least he's a threat from the 3-pt line. Use the rest of the season to develop Hayward and let CJ try to increase his value some as a starter.

Meantime KOC needs to be shopping AK, CJ and any other expiring's to improve the team.
 
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