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Also with the Jazz being a small market franchise with limited pockets, taking a risk and ending up with 2 or 3 seasons in a row where they just miss the playoffs will be a big no-no. They just cannot afford that, especially now that they have paid the LT these past couple of years. I dont know about the Kings and Rockets and those other teams who keep blowing up their teams. Maybe their owners can afford multiple losing seasons. It may sound unfortunate but that's what the reality is. Also, I would much rather change the players before I change the coach. Let the Jazz FO take a risk on the personnel front before changing the system/coach. Its not like as if we have a championship-calibre team and it is Sloan's system that is holding us back from winning it all these past few years. We kept bringing back the same team for the most part and we got more or less the same results.
This season, We have just one legit all star and a bunch of good but not great players.
How do you suddenly expect to have different results?

When a coach is consistently getting the best out of his players and if his team still cannot progress beyond a certain point, then it is obvious where the scope for improvement lies. Improve the team. Change for the sake of changing does'nt make sense, especially with the CBA/lockout around the corner
 
I also wanted to point out people bringing up Sloan not winning with S&M, at worst (for Sloan) that means in his 20+ years of coaching maybe 2-3 seasons he didn't have his best year, but even then it was not a bad year just not his best.
Teams and people/players (including coaches) can have a bad year you see it all the time but I think more in other sports, overall coach Sloan has been consistently good and while I do have my frustrations with him (like playing Bell to many minutes) he is a net positive and I also would think Corbin would make a good replacement if he's still around when coach Sloan retires.
 
Also since I have complained about Bell's playing time I will try to make it constructive criticism. I think Bell can still start (since maybe his veteran leadership will carry more weight if he does) but he should be the first player out after about 5-6min at the longest.
I think you sale it as that way he can play his hardest and provide the energy that has been missing by the starters and not have to worry about pacing/conserving himself or his fouls. Then you have Hayward (or CJ I guess) come in and finish our the qtr and can still play price at sg to start the 2nd unless Hayward is tearing it up (at this point CJ would be playing the 3 for AK).
 
Interesting how the roster changes from time to time but the results are the same. Not bad, but not great. Anyway, I'm sure things will be different once AK's awful contract is off the books.
 
Just ran across this SLTrib article and though it fitting for this thread here is a quick quote from it:
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/51021567-87/sloan-jazz-utah-game.html.csp

Williams was the only player queried Monday who would not comment when asked about a possible change. The response was not new: He has deferred to Sloan all season, preferring to not become publicly involved in Utah’s coaching decisions. “I want to run more, that’s all I can say,” Williams said.
Maybe I'm reading what I want to but I think that means Hayward for Bell, during the games you hear them say how good Hayward will run the floor. While with my own eyes I see that Bell is usually more of a setup for a corner 3 or trailer type, or my suggestion a few posts up of taking Bell out after no more the 5min or so, as to keep his vet status and getting to go all out energy in a shorter stretch, I dunno just my opinion.


I guess here's the whole article
By Brian T. Smith
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published 28 minutes ago
Updated 28 minutes ago Updated Jan 10, 2011 02:48PM
Good question. Hard answer.
That was the consensus response from key Jazz veterans Raja Bell, Ronnie Price and C.J. Miles when asked Monday whether a Utah team prone to slow starts since the season started would benefit from a starting lineup change.
Bell said rotation shakeups can either soar or sink, and can only be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
Price pointed to Memphis’ recent insertion of guard Tony Allen into the Grizzlies’ first unit as proof that a well-timed move can provide immediate improvement, but added that a similar switch for the Jazz could backfire.
Miles? He is just happy that he simply gets paid to play basketball, gladly leaving personnel decisions to Utah coach Jerry Sloan.
“I don’t even know what to say now,” Miles said prior to practice. “Thinking about it is pretty tough — just trying to figure out what you would do.”
Welcome to Sloan’s world.
The resilient Jazz have rallied for a league-high 12 victories this season when trailing by at least 10 points, while Utah has come back from 15 points down seven times and emerged victorious. In addition, a team that has surpassed original expectations has also produced a four-game improvement compared to last season’s squad, while holding a share of first place with Oklahoma City in the Northwest Division.
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But the Jazz’s primary leaders — Sloan and All-Star guard Deron Williams—- have long been troubled by Utah’s early-game struggles.
Williams was the only player queried Monday who would not comment when asked about a possible change. The response was not new: He has deferred to Sloan all season, preferring to not become publicly involved in Utah’s coaching decisions.
“I want to run more, that’s all I can say,” Williams said.
There are many things that Sloan wants out of his first unit, primarily increased effort and production. But he feels like he is “between a rock and a hard place,” and is still facing the same issues that have halted a change since training camp started.
Williams, Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson are the only players locked into starting roles, leaving Andrei Kirilenko and Bell as options to be replaced.
Prior to Utah’s comeback victory Saturday against Houston, Sloan said that he would consider making a change if the Jazz did not pick up their game. Utah eventually did, led by 23 post-halftime points from Millsap. But it was also more of the same for the Jazz, who trailed the Rockets by 14 points at halftime, appearing sluggish and unmotivated during the first two quarters.
“I don’t think anything’s in concrete,” Sloan said Monday, later stating that he is not infallible and second guesses himself everyday.
He added: “They have to live with my mistakes and I have to live with theirs. It’s not just a one-way street.”


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Sloan has considered inserting either Miles or rookie Gordon Hayward into the starting lineup. But Miles is Utah’s premier scorer off the bench, while the 20-year-old Hayward is still adjusting to the highs and lows of the NBA.
“We try to make the best decision we can. It’s certainly not 100 percent, and it never will be,” said Sloan, who conceded that he will likely continue to use a season-opening starting lineup of Williams, Bell, Kirilenko, Millsap and Jefferson on Wednesday versus New York.
To Sloan, the most difficult issue facing the Jazz is the game-by-game uncertainty of who will take the court and when they will do so. He is not receiving consistent production from either Utah’s first or second unit, and is often forced to play a guessing game when considering player matchups and rotation changes.
“That makes it difficult,” Sloan said. “I’ve never had a team, probably, that’s been this unsettled.”
 
As a Jazz fan, whether you're a Sloan fan or a fan that is critical of everyone, including Sloan, you have to ask yourself at what point does Sloan get any blame for what transpires on the court?

When they start to play below the level of their talent. How many people nationally would say we are more talented than OKC, New Orleans, or Denver? Yet we are tied with the first and ahead of the second.

The Jazz are a mediocre team who are continuing their downward spiral that started 3 seasons ago...

2007 WCF
2008 CS
2009 FR

I'm sure it was just forgetfulness that you left off 2010 CS, right?
 
Franklin: Don't worry about Viny he's very familiar with patting himself although his instructions are a bit different, the trick is getting him to clean up afterward.
 
Think about it this way, these are the teams who have made the playoffs every year of the last five seasons:

San Antonio
Dallas Mavericks
Denver Nuggets
Cleveland Cavaliers
Los Angeles Lakers

That's it. Even the Jazz don't make the cut. This is over the last half-decade.

Five teams. That means only 16% of the league's teams have made the NBA playoffs consecutively the last five seasons.

Of those I've listed, Cleveland is probably not going to keep their streak alive and Denver is in serious jeopardy of losing theirs.

That shows you just how inconsistent the NBA is and frankly, I think it's solely because franchises are consistently blowing their rosters up and going through coaches like they're toilet paper.

And while all of those teams have gone through player changes how many of them have gone through different coaches in the last 20 years?
 
Currently, the Jazz are on course to meet the lakers in the first round.

If this happens, and the Jazz get swept, will it have any effect on Sloans job?
 
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