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August 20:Big Match Turkey&Germany-Enes Kanter&Dirk Nowitzki match is starting now:) live Link here

AKMVP said:
There is Boozer at the same age as Kanter... I can't understand how somebody can watch this video and all you can have from Kanter and call Kanter athletic and Boozer not...not objective folks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb-y-Tm32So&feature=related
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Reading comprehension not your strong point, I see. Oh well, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing because I lack the energy to debate the topic. Boozer's gone.
 
PKM said:
Reading comprehension not your strong point, I see. Oh well, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing because I lack the energy to debate the topic. Boozer's gone.
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That was not directed for you but for orangello
 
margodydek said:
Maybe I'm the only here who thought this, and maybe I should take off my Jazz goggles, but besides the first game I thought Kanter looked much quicker than I anticipated. I think Kanter can easily be a better help defender than both Boozer and Okur. I agree with you that he'll never be an "above the rim" defender, but Favors could be. So to answer your question, yes I think Favors and Kanter could do a better job defending the paint than Boozer/Okur.
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Defense is as much about desire as it is about quickness and talent. Boozer was capable of being a decent defender. Yes, he was smaller than a lot of PF's and it would have required a lot of effort. And that's where Boozer comes up short; he has no desire to work on defense, other than to push his opponent in the back in order to get better rebounding position. He saves his energy for the offensive end.

Favors and Kanter are very young and very raw. But Favors showed flashes of great defense last season. And Kanter has certainly talked the talk about playing physical. They also both have the size to match up against most bigs. I have no doubt the defense will be much improved as they develop and get more and more minutes.
 
PKM said:
I feel much more comfortable with his passing becoming formidable than him ever becoming a shot-blocking type center. Solid-D, but not shot a big shot blocker ... which I think is overrated anyway.
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Watch it...you'll be banned for making too much sense. Jazz were actually one of the better shot-blocking teams last season (as opposed to prior years). I'm not a statistician, but if you scroll through the list, there just doesn't appear to be much correlation between blocked shots and winning percentage. Better to force a bad outside shot than constantly have your opponents shooting close to the rim where you might be lucky enough to get 3 blocks per game (with most of the rest very high percentage attempts for the opposing team).
 
GlassEater said:
Watch it...you'll be banned for making too much sense. Jazz were actually one of the better shot-blocking teams last season (as opposed to prior years). I'm not a statistician, but if you scroll through the list, there just doesn't appear to be much correlation between blocked shots and winning percentage. Better to force a bad outside shot than constantly have your opponents shooting close to the rim where you might be lucky enough to get 3 blocks per game (with most of the rest very high percentage attempts for the opposing team).
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Exactly. I feel the same way with steals. Gaudy steals numbers can be had by a guy that constanly overplays the passing lanes and giving up easy routes to the rim.
I think blocks and steals are two of the most overrated stats in basketball.
 
Some thoughts-

In the earlier games he looked lost but you can see the rust has been shaken off some.

I think he is looking very good, worthy of a third pick. He does have good quickness, he has a left hand at the rim, and a nice post game. He likes the same spot Karl used to work from- low left. He can learn to pass from that position easily I think. He makes space with his body and shoulders before he goes up around the basket in traffic. His frame is like Chris Webber's only bigger. He really digs in at that low left spot and appears the proverbial immovable object. He has nice moves when at the rim. He stays busy and seems to be involved in every play. Sets high screens but his teammates did not seem to know what to do with it.

He has plenty of size, as well as Derrick Favors, to play the 5 in this age where there is a dearth of quality at that position.
 
My opinion shouldn't mean too much but I just wanted to add I seem to remember reading or hearing an interview done in Turkey that mentioned playing high school here in the US and he could score but wanted to make sure to pass as well. Now that may not translate and he may never pass but that would tell me he has the mindset of someone who doesn't mind passing, it's just that with his national team nobody is really passing the ball all that much and add to that he is wanting to show he is worthy of the hype and pressing to score more then usual.

Also on his D, from all reports from the workouts and then now with his national team he seems to be a hard working, high energy/motor guy. Now that may not translate to good D but at least he seems that he'll put the effort in. I figure worst case is he may be a guy like Harp where you say don't confuse high activity for high productivity.
 
kanter is slightly more athletic than boozer, his max vert. is 4 inches over boozer's. he is also a bigger, tougher version of him with a higher motor to deal with. just look at their numbers in the draft combine:

kanter vs. boozer:

no step vert.: 26.0 / 26.5 (mcgee: 27.0, tyson chandler: 31.0)
max vert.: 32.5 / 28.5 (mcgee: 32.5, tyson chandler: 33.5)
lane agility: 11.30 / 10.77 (mcgee 12.75, tyson chandler: 12.13)
3/4 court sprint: 3.26 / 3.31 (mcgee 3.25, tyson chandler: 3.36)

you guys were calling chandler and mcgee as over-athletes. their athletic numbers are in the range of kanter's as you can see. but mcgee has a freakish standing reach of 9' 6 1/2'', his long arms set him appart and make him look more athletic as he is. chandler has similar standing reach to kanter's with 9' 2'' (kanter has a standing reach of 9' 1 1/2''), so it's fair to say that they are on the same level referring to athleticizm. bogut has similar athleticizm to compare... my conclusion is that enes kanter has a slightly above average athleticizm for a center and an average athleticizm for a power forward. he will be quicker that many centers and stronger than many power forwards: that's a matchup nightmare.
 
Those are nice stats/comparisons. However, I think Kanter's lack of springiness is what gives way to people calling him an average athlete. I know his vertical numbers, but he jus doesn't get off the ground and to his max height as quickly as some others. Know what I mean? That said, I still have no worries, I want him on the ground, where his strength is a mismatch for most ... once his feet leave the ground, his strength is greatly diminished and his ability to use above-average lateral quickness is gone. Unlike some on here, I am not in love with a shot-blocking, I simply want players that keep the other team from scoring easy baskets. I don't need highlight reels, give me toughness, good basketball IQ, chemistry, and championships.
 
Boozer seems to posses a lot more "smoothness" attacking the rim. Kanter looks more like Jefferson than Boozer offensively as of now.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Boozer seems to posses a lot more "smoothness" attacking the rim. Kanter looks more like Jefferson than Boozer offensively as of now.
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Agree with that completely. I see them as different players though. Boozer is more finesse and Kanter is more of a bull (likes contact). I really think they are very different players and, though many will not like this, I think the Al/Enes comparisons are more applicable .. only because Enes will play more physical than wth pizazz.

By the way, if someone else wrote the above, I would be shaking my head at some of it .. just too lazy to clarify. Bash away. ;)
 
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