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[underKANTER]

guys, enough is enough, seriously... can the debate of who is better between EK and JV please end? both have the potential to be all-star caliber players, but right now it's to early to predict. let's see the answer in three years who will be the better player. thanks and good night!

 

[Deleted member 848]

Exactly. I feel the same way with steals. Gaudy steals numbers can be had by a guy that constanly overplays the passing lanes and giving up easy routes to the rim.
I think blocks and steals are two of the most overrated stats in basketball.

True, but in my opinion steals and blocks can shift momentum almost as much as a crazy slam-dunk. Id rather see a block than a dunk imo.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

He does have a mammoth wingspan though, which support my theory of tremendous size, and is quite athletic.

It remains unknown how well Valanciunas will fit in the NBA. I was high on Hassan Whiteside last year, who physically is very similar to JV and has a similar talent set--although JV does move very well and efficiently. There are other long players who can run, jump and dunk. No doubt JV is aggressive and looks good, but he hasn't performed against an NBA-caliber front-court yet. Plus he's playing PF, rather than C, which isn't what the Jazz need.

 

[MVP]

. No doubt JV is aggressive and looks good, but he hasn't performed against an NBA-caliber front-court yet. Plus he's playing PF, rather than C, which isn't what the Jazz need.

He never played PF in his life from what I know - his only position is center, when did you see him playing PF? And he played vs M.and P.Gasol, Ibaka,T.Mozgov and AK47 recently - all are NBA caliber front court players and averaged 12pts, 7.7reb in those 4 games vs them.

 

[sepanol]

Lets be clear here - I do not hate Enes Kanter. Show me any posts where I said I hate him? He is Jazzman so I am cheering and supporting him the same way I supported other picks O'Connor picked ( despite me thinking that he screwed many many times ). That does not mean I can't post critical thoughts and observations about Kanter's game or compare him to other draft picks.

where did koc screwed i wonder? i think he makes very accurate choices most of the time

 

[One Brow]

South Europeans mature faster then North Europeans, ...

Bringing racism into the discussion is an automatic forfeit.

 

[MVP]

Bringing racism into the discussion is an automatic forfeit.

Racism???? Are you kidding me? It is differences in biological age not racism my friend.

 

[One Brow]

Racism???? Are you kidding me? It is differences in biological age not racism my friend.

Southern Europeans and Northern Europeans are not biologically different enough to to have truly distinct aging cycles.

I believe your not a troll, and you off-hand remark about Lopez/Parker means I'll give you the benefit fo the doubt that you're not a short-term Jazz fan. Your comment is racist, nonetheless.

 

[MVP]

Southern Europeans and Northern Europeans are not biologically different enough to to have truly distinct aging cycles.
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well, if you would compare Turkey or Greece U16 team vs Latvia, Lithuania, Finland or Sweden U16 teams you would see quite a huge difference in biological age. Again we can disagree on the subject, but my point is lets evaluate players when they reach at least 20-21 years of age as exceptional physical specimen at 16-17 years like Kanter or Koufos dominating same age but lighter and not as mature kids is not very fair in their evaluation.

 

[MVP]

where did koc screwed i wonder? i think he makes very accurate choices most of the time

ok, I will give you his biggest blunders: Lopez over Parker/Arenas, Borchardt over Boozer, Humphries over Big Al, Snyder over Josh Smith, Pavlovic over Josh Howard, some could argue that Williams over Paul was mistake as well but from what I know it was Sloan who wanted Williams badly, KOC wanted to draft Paul. I will skip Brewer over Rondo as at that time Jazz already had Williams and did not need another PG.
At the end of the day see how many first round picks by O'Connor are still on the Jazz - I see only Hayward on his rookie contract.( I do not count Kanter and Burks as they are not even signed ). O'Connor was exceptionaly good or lucky to draft in second round but first round was failure most of the times and the fact that none of them are still with us tell a lot.

 

[One Brow]

well, if you would compare Turkey or Greece U16 team vs Latvia, Lithuania, Finland or Sweden U16 teams you would see quite a huge difference in biological age.

Having had the advantage of growing up in a country full of Europeans of a variety of ancetries, I can say very clearly that I saw no difference in the bilogical aging of those from Northern Europe versus those from Southern Europe. They all looked alike to me.

However, I know the futility of convincing a racist how little their ideas are based in reality. You're more likely to have productive conversation on science with (poster name withheld for reasons of kindness).

 

[One Brow]

ok, I will give you his biggest blunders: Lopez over Parker/Arenas,

At the time they were drafted, Lopez was better. Even after the injury, they were on a par.

Borchardt over Boozer,

How would drafting Boozer have made him a better player for us?

Humphries over Big Al, Snyder over Josh Smith, Pavlovic over Josh Howard,

I agree those were mistakes.

some could argue that Williams over Paul was mistake as well

Many have tried, but the arguments were unconvincing, and there was reason to think Paul did not want to play in a system like Utah's.

At the end of the day see how many first round picks by O'Connor are still on the Jazz - I see only Hayward on his rookie contract.( I do not count Kanter and Burks as they are not even signed ).

I notice you left off second round picks, we have a couple of those. Also, Maynor and Brewer were traded for financial reasons, but were good draft picks.

Most outside sources put Utah in the top ten in their drafting history.

... the fact that none of them are still with us tell a lot.

Yes, but not necessarily about O'Connor's ability.