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[MVP]

At the time they were drafted, Lopez was better. Even after the injury, they were on a par.

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Lopez was never better then Parker ( some may argue he was faster before injury) or Arenas. I loved the guy while he was on Jazz but come on, the only reason Jazz drafted him was that they wanted somebody who stays overseas for one year and did not want to have Parker or Arenas that year on their roster. It was bad decison especially after having Arenas for workouts in Utah, not surprisingly Gilbert used to light up Jazz when he was still with GSW, it was like extra motivation for him.

 

[Ben10]

Lopez was never better then Parker ( some may argue he was faster before injury) or Arenas. I loved the guy while he was on Jazz but come on, the only reason Jazz drafted him was that they wanted somebody who stays overseas for one year and did not want to have Parker or Arenas that year on their roster. It was bad decison especially after having Arenas for workouts in Utah, not surprisingly Gilbert used to light up Jazz when he was still with GSW, it was like extra motivation for him.

You do realize that every team in the NBA passed on Arenas in the first round. And over half of them had him in in for a work out. So what does that say about all the other GM's? There were reasons that Arenas fell to the second round. Attitude and personal issues (that we have seen now that he is in the league) and the fact that no one was convince he could play a lick of PG. (as he was a 2 guard in collage for the most part). As for your other ones the only one's I well agree with are the Hump over Jefferson and Smith picks. One really bad year in the Draft has happend to pretty much every GM.

 

[MVP]

You do realize that every team in the NBA passed on Arenas in the first round. And over half of them had him in in for a work out. So what does that say about all the other GM's? There were reasons that Arenas fell to the second round. Attitude and personal issues (that we have seen now that he is in the league) and the fact that no one was convince he could play a lick of PG. (as he was a 2 guard in collage for the most part). As for your other ones the only one's I well agree with are the Hump over Jefferson and Smith picks. One really bad year in the Draft has happend to pretty much every GM.

Arenas was selected only 6 picks later then Lopez and in between ( I forgot about it ) was Gerald Wallace and Samuel Dalembert as well. So three ALL-stars were selected after Lopez and you saying it was not a bad pick. Second you saying that drafting Borchardt and not Boozer, but then signing Boozer for 66mil two years later was smart? We could have had Boozer for 4 years for rookie salary and had enough money to sign quality center or SG. This is even bigger mistake then Lopez IMHO.

 

[sepanol]

Lopez was never better then Parker ( some may argue he was faster before injury) or Arenas. I loved the guy while he was on Jazz but come on, the only reason Jazz drafted him was that they wanted somebody who stays overseas for one year and did not want to have Parker or Arenas that year on their roster. It was bad decison especially after having Arenas for workouts in Utah, not surprisingly Gilbert used to light up Jazz when he was still with GSW, it was like extra motivation for him.

right now u can say that parker is a better player but come on, who knew he was going to be so good? he was just a decent european guard at that time in the draft. Even here many people were giving derrick williams more credit over kanter just because he is american and kanter international, so it is not easy to break taboos and pick a more unknown guy over a better known.

KOC made perfect choices in the last couple of years, millsap, deron williams, hayward and kanter, even we can include burks are some of them. Also koufos was a very good draft pick for me, he just couldnt improve himself enough to stay on the team, but i still believe he is a good player. Humpries is a very good player as well.Only thing i can argue is Almond, and if we go back to past years, which i dont have that much knowledge , maybe we can say kirk snyder.

You are talking like it was obvious the other guy was better at that time but koc just screwed our pick with picking an unknown or totally garbage player but your examples arent even close. You show a adequate player that we picked and then compare to another player who wasnt that popular that time but later improved himself well and turned out to be a better player.

And if we look at the last 2 years, we picked the 2 best players available. Hayward is one of the best players of his draft and Kanter will probably be the best. So i dont believe KOC deserves a bad grade from his drafting history.

You basically argue that Why KOC wasnt a fortuneteller or magician so he couldnt see the future and made those picks instead of if he could make the best possible choice at that moment.

 

[MVP]

And if we look at the last 2 years, we picked the 2 best players available. Hayward is one of the best players of his draft and Kanter will probably be the best..

I understand your enthusiasm and it is fine to be optimistic about our team players but lets be objective - that yet has to be seen. I am not sold yet on Hayward as he had just a few good games when nothing mattered at the end of the season... There are numerous rookies who had much better season then him last year. To call him one of the best is a huge stretch at this point. Same goes for Kanter, he has not shown anything yet. When I read articles after draft from numerous NBA scouts, writers, specialists and so on, I do not see many of them calling Kanter the best ( except Kentucky coach who is obviously biased). If you read Draftexpress - which is one of the best NBA talent evaluation website due to their extensive scouting all over the world you would know whom they consider the best.

 

[margodydek]

I understand your enthusiasm and it is fine to be optimistic about our team players but lets be objective - that yet has to be seen. I am not sold yet on Hayward as he had just a few good games when nothing mattered at the end of the season... There are numerous rookies who had much better season then him last year. To call him one of the best is a huge stretch at this point. Same goes for Kanter, he has not shown anything yet. When I read articles after draft from numerous NBA scouts, writers, specialists and so on, I do not see many of them calling Kanter the best ( except Kentucky coach who is obviously biased). If you read Draftexpress - which is one of the best NBA talent evaluation website due to their extensive scouting all over the world you would know whom they consider the best.

Being a Jazz fan must be depressing for you.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Being a Jazz fan must be depressing for you.

If he really is one

 

[sepanol]

I understand your enthusiasm and it is fine to be optimistic about our team players but lets be objective - that yet has to be seen. I am not sold yet on Hayward as he had just a few good games when nothing mattered at the end of the season... There are numerous rookies who had much better season then him last year. To call him one of the best is a huge stretch at this point. Same goes for Kanter, he has not shown anything yet. When I read articles after draft from numerous NBA scouts, writers, specialists and so on, I do not see many of them calling Kanter the best ( except Kentucky coach who is obviously biased). If you read Draftexpress - which is one of the best NBA talent evaluation website due to their extensive scouting all over the world you would know whom they consider the best.

i dont generally create ideas after reading those websites but seeing the players play. I think derrick williams will be a failure, valanciunas isnt that good as you claim and other than that i dont see too many top level players. Enes is best player along with irving in my opinion. but we will see yet, its just a prediction regarding their potential.

 

[GVC]

If you read Draftexpress - which is one of the best NBA talent evaluation website due to their extensive scouting all over the world you would know whom they consider the best.

Jonathon Givony spends a lot of time scouting in Europe, and on more than one occasion has been accused of being too euro-centric in his evaluations (along wit being accused of trying to ingratiate himself to European teams to in an attempt to land legit scouting/management jobs over there). He likes JV and doesn't like Kanter, this much is clear. He's also seen a lot more of JV, and that's the case for everyone. Enes is the biggest unknown from this draft. He was the best player at his age group in Europe for a few years, and then stopped playing meaningful games. JV kept playing, and playing against men recently, and thrived (if only in limited minutes at times). It'll be interesting seeing how it all pans out in time. Anyone who claims to know that Kanter or JV is going to be better is an idiot. Based on the lack of games for Kanter, that sort of thing is unknowable.

 

[sepanol]

Jonathon Givony spends a lot of time scouting in Europe, and on more than one occasion has been accused of being too euro-centric in his evaluations (along wit being accused of trying to ingratiate himself to European teams to in an attempt to land legit scouting/management jobs over there). He likes JV and doesn't like Kanter, this much is clear. He's also seen a lot more of JV, and that's the case for everyone. Enes is the biggest unknown from this draft. He was the best player at his age group in Europe for a few years, and then stopped playing meaningful games. JV kept playing, and playing against men recently, and thrived (if only in limited minutes at times). It'll be interesting seeing how it all pans out in time. Anyone who claims to know that Kanter or JV is going to be better is an idiot. Based on the lack of games for Kanter, that sort of thing is unknowable.

Based on their skills i can say that JV is a more unknown for nba. Enes will at least be a 15 10 player but JV may not even be able to grab 7 rebs per game. He has to work a lot harder than Enes to make his mark in nba. I think Enes is phsycally a lot stronger than JV

 

[Ben10]

Arenas was selected only 6 picks later then Lopez and in between ( I forgot about it ) was Gerald Wallace and Samuel Dalembert as well. So three ALL-stars were selected after Lopez and you saying it was not a bad pick. Second you saying that drafting Borchardt and not Boozer, but then signing Boozer for 66mil two years later was smart? We could have had Boozer for 4 years for rookie salary and had enough money to sign quality center or SG. This is even bigger mistake then Lopez IMHO.

Wow hind sight is 20/20 isn't it. You give 2 examples of players whose Carriers were derailed because of injuries. None of us have any Idea how good Lopez could have been if he hadn't blow out his knee and was never able to get back to were he was before. And again Boozer was a guy that all 30 GM's passed on because there were questions about him. He was a risky pick so no one wanted to give him a guarenteed contract. But no its all about looking back and seeing who we missed not who was there at the time. Next you are going to tell be how bad a pick Chicago made by selecting Jay Williams with the #2 pick when he had an accedent that he was unable to get better from. Must just have been a terrible pick. That GM should have been fired on the spot.
Get a clue about how life really works. Injuries happen.

 

[One Brow]

Wow hind sight is 20/20 isn't it. You give 2 examples of players whose Carriers were derailed because of injuries.

Well, Borchardt had known injury issues when we drafted him. Lopez's injury was a disappointment.