margodydek
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One of the big knocks on Al is that he doesn't get to the line as much as he should. I think Kanter will get to the line a lot more frequently than Al does.
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margodydek
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What is this fascination with defining someone's athletic ability on whether or not they jump off of two feet? First off, there are some pretty darn athletic players in the league who you will almost never see jumping off of two feet: Lebron, Wade, Josh Smith, that sprinter with no legs who keeps trying to get into the olympics with those weird looking prostetics, etc. And second, I've heard numerous basketball analysts that say those players who can only jump off of two feet are at a disadvantage. Griffin & Howard both primarily jump off of two feet, but both can jump off of one. Derrick Williams on the other hand looks to only jump off of two feet and that was a concern for people before the draft. Obviously it doesn't matter a ton, but I just wanted to squash the notion that two foot jumpers are more athletic than one foot jumpers.
If you are a wing player, being able to jump off 1 foot puts you at a huge advantage. Williams was being knocked for being a 2 foot jumper because he wants to be a SF. Jumping off two feet isn't really an issue if you are big man, it may actually be better because typically big men don't have running starts to the basket, so being able to plant and explode more powerfully is handy.
MVP
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Agree 100%. 95% of the rebounding and shot blocking are done jumping of two feet. Thats why I ignore max verticals from big men jumping of one foot as it gives you no proper assessment of their value. No step vertical is most reliable here.
Max Verticals during the combine (from what I can tell) can be done off either two or one foot. The player gets three steps to build momentum, then jumps. I would also assume most players vertical increase once they enter the NBA and go into more rigorous and high tech training methods.
orangello
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I never said that Kanter is athletic. He has fast feet and moves well but he is not what I would call explosive. Same thing goes for Boozer.
Because Favors basically doesnt have any offensive skills, he just scores using his athletism, but not post moves mid range shot while Kanter has those so he can create more space for Favors under the rim. JV doesnt have shooting ability, he has some post skills but he doesnt have a scorer instinct like Kanter. I dont need to be a magician to tell that JV- Favors is a weak pair on the offensive end, it is pretty obvious
MVP
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well, have you seen JV play recently? How come he scored 36pts in final U19world championship game without scorers instinct??? JV has very good shooting fundamentals BTW, better shooter from FT line then Kanter FYI, and makes over 60% of his jumpers. He is not taking many mid range or 3pt shots but it is because he likes to play close to the basket. But to say he has no shooting ability is nonsense.
MVP
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So athletic in your dictionary=explosive? Ok, that makes sense now.
i dont judge players looking at the stats. If you wanna look at the stats, Enes scored over 50 pts in many games when he played in prep school, but we cant take that into account right? Because he was already too much advanced comparing to other players, so do JV, he is already above that U19 level. We will see him better in euro basket, if he scores 36 against Gasol and Ibaka, then i will give you credit, but right now noone can convince me JV is better than Kanter offensively.
Yes, ability to explode is a huge part in functional athletic ability. Jumping high isn't that great if you can't get off the floor with urgency and quickness (why Boozer sucked on D). Kanter has shown a Boozer like lead foot on D at points, too early to tell.