He's definitely a 4 but I do think he CAN play the 3 sufficiently in certain match ups.
If I'm not mistaken I think LaMar Odom started out as a 4 or a 5 for the Heat too, then eventually settling as a 3 for the Lakers ?
Because Trey Lyles...
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If I'm not mistaken I think LaMar Odom started out as a 4 or a 5 for the Heat too, then eventually settling as a 3 for the Lakers ?
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Lamar was insanely talented and was a really good ball handler. Lyles is a good ball handler but not on his level. Lamar was more athletic and was sooooo long, was a good defender. He was great when he played 4 and really good at the 3, but had a huge matchup advantage when at 4.
If that guy had his head on straight he would have been like a top 5 player in the league. Tough comparison imo.
No one's asking Lyles to handle like Lamar Odom, just asking him to guard switches on the perimeter and not get killed defensively. I have to think that if Joe Ingles can get by, then Lyles can too. Is it optimal, maybe not, but doable for some stretches.
That said, Lyles' game appears to have some similarities to Odom's. If he gets matched against a bigger, slower player he can go to the rim and finish (like he did against Dragan Bender). If he gets matched against a smaller player, he can either shoot over the top or bully his way to the rim. He can make plays in space with the pass or his basic handle. He can work as a combo forward for the most part.
The idea of playing Lyles at the 3 came up in the context of Hayward being out of the line-up.
ncoloradojazz
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Kanter plays the worse defense I have ever seen, No lie. I have never witnessed someone so lazy on defense. He is will never be a starter because of it. His ceiling is 6th man. If he played defense then he could be a starter on a very good team
Now on to Trey, Kid can shoot the ball and yes he is bad on defense but I am sure his defens eis going to improve. His ceiling is also 6th man role. He is a tweener. Not physical enough to guard anyone in the post and to slow for SFs of the league. No knock on him at all by saying that is his ceiling. On a great team he is the big who comes off the bench and can light up for 20 in a half and get the team back into it if they are down. I don't ever see him as a starter and it is because of his defense.
I could see Trey or Enes both in race and winning 6th man of the year awards in the future. That is when Super6 himself retires. Supersix is Crawford
Ok but was Lamar that good freom the get go?
I mean was Hayward this good from the get go?
You've gotta look ahead right?
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I said late last season i thought he could play some 3. Will he struggle in defensive? Yes, some but I'm not sure it's any more than he will at the 4. The difference though is at the 3, he could have Favors and Gobert behind him.
Imagine two 2-4 minute segments a game with Exum, Hayward, Lyles, Favors, Gobert. That size and rebounding, wow. And the passing, shooting, and defense would be pretty damn good too.
Imagine two 2-4 minute segments a game with Exum, Hayward, Lyles, Favors, Gobert. That size and rebounding, wow. And the passing, shooting, and defense would be pretty damn good too.
Lamar didn't playthe 3 for the Lakers, and even if he did it was a different time and a completely different player than Lyles. If you play Lyles at the 3 you take away his value. Stupid, stupid idea. Why play him at the three when you can just play Joe Ingles? Lyles has no advantage over Ingles as a wing.
?? What position did Lamar play for the Lakers then?
Bynum
Gasol
Lamar
Kobe
Fisher
That's how I remembered that Championship team.
Miggs
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Ariza may have started and Lamar may have been their 6th man. I can't recall for sure.
You remembered it wrong. That lineup played 0 minutes in their first championship season and 77 minutes in their second championship season (7 total games). You can check it for yourself on nba.com/stats.
Oh ok, my bad... I'm clearly not a Lakers fan.. LOL
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lol Funny I said when Trey was drafted manye he could become an Lamar type player and I was made fun of and now people are comparing him to Lamar. When will most of you realize I am normally right? BTW lamar was a backup on those Chip winnign lakers team. Trey is a super 6 man just like Lamar was. Thing is they had a player named Kobe JellyBean Bryant. Some of yall muight of heard of him. Grant it he was no Hayward but he had a few good seasons.