Ben Shapiro

[Archie Moses]

I agree with you when it comes to the ignore feature, but that doesn't stop him from completely derailing threads by others engaging him, which is the larger issue with trolls.

I agree with that. Plus, his level of trolling is more than a bit much.

 

[Stoked]

No, I'm done reporting his behavior. Jason asked me to ignore him. I'll do my best. If I can't participate and ignore him then I'll ignore him by not participating. Jazzfanz is endorsing what he's doing at this point. They are making a mockery of their own standards in how they handle him. This is #notmyforum so I've put in my input and now it's out of my hands.

And btw, when I first started reporting him I left a note in my report to the mods to just tell me if I was wasting my time and I'd stop reporting. I was not told I was wasting my time, but I clearly was. Would have appreciated just being told that.

You weren't wasting your time. You may not have gotten he result that you wanted but that does not mean nothing was done or that nothing was talked about.

 

[Archie Moses]

No, I'm done reporting his behavior. Jason asked me to ignore him. I'll do my best. If I can't participate and ignore him then I'll ignore him by not participating. Jazzfanz is endorsing what he's doing at this point. They are making a mockery of their own standards in how they handle him. This is #notmyforum so I've put in my input and now it's out of my hands.

And btw, when I first started reporting him I left a note in my report to the mods to just tell me if I was wasting my time and I'd stop reporting. I was not told I was wasting my time, but I clearly was. Would have appreciated just being told that.

Which posts are getting Dutch suspended?

 

[Ron Mexico]

I expected his last ban to be longer than a week. He was banned just a short time before that.

I'm disappointed in Jason for letting this go. But whatever, I've committed to ignoring Dutch. I urge everyone to not respond. I know that's not likely, but whatever, Jazzfanz is officially okay with what Dutch does here.

I enjoy conversations with him sometimes and some others that are trolls. But for the sake of others I am trying to stop engaging with them, so its less frustrating for others.

The real question is how far to go with ignoring people like that? There are obviously troll accounts like Boris but there are also people like Franklin that are trolling with a lot of their posts and threads. Or the Archies that claim they are just trolling sometimes with they get in too far. What about people like me that often troll some of the trolls? Or fans from other teams that may or may not be real but just come here to talk trash and troll?

 

[Archie Moses]

I enjoy conversations with him sometimes and some others that are trolls. But for the sake of others I am trying to stop engaging with them, so its less frustrating for others.

The real question is how far to go with ignoring people like that? There are obviously troll accounts like Boris but there are also people like Franklin that are trolling with a lot of their posts and threads. Or the Archies that claim they are just trolling sometimes with they get in too far. What about people like me that often troll some of the trolls? Or fans from other teams that may or may not be real but just come here to talk trash and troll?

My "troll" posts are more just to go against the grain. I push them as far as they get pushed. It's still discussion though.

 

[franklin]

I enjoy conversations with him sometimes and some others that are trolls. But for the sake of others I am trying to stop engaging with them, so its less frustrating for others.

The real question is how far to go with ignoring people like that? There are obviously troll accounts like Boris but there are also people like Franklin that are trolling with a lot of their posts and threads. Or the Archies that claim they are just trolling sometimes with they get in too far. What about people like me that often troll some of the trolls? Or fans from other teams that may or may not be real but just come here to talk trash and troll?

I try to make any "trolling" obvious and light and friendly. Most of the trolling I get accused of is a lack of understanding or perspective by the accuser.

Oh, and I used to troll the trolls too but that ran its course and got boring.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I try to make any "trolling" obvious and light and friendly. Most of the trolling I get accused of is a lack of understanding or perspective by the accuser.

Oh, and I used to troll the trolls too but that ran its course and got boring.

Fair enough, I still get entertained conversing with you, but maybe one day ill get bored with it.

 

[Ron Mexico]

My "troll" posts are more just to go against the grain. I push them as far as they get pushed. It's still discussion though.

I dont mind it, I understand that is what you do. Obviously it bugs a bunch of people based on discussions the last couple days. I like some of the points you make.


I dont mind conversing with anyone on here. I dont think I dislike anyone on here. There is no one on here I wouldn't grab a beer with. A couple people have done some things over the top on this board that have crossed lines but usually they have apologized for it.

 

[Stoked]

Fair enough, I still get entertained conversing with you, but maybe one day ill get bored with it.

I've said this plenty but franklin is possibly my favorite poster on here.

 

[DutchJazzer]

It's almost like he's not interested in honest dialogue and gets his rocks off by the reactions he gets from his ****posting and general trollery. It's befuddling to me that he has lasted as long as he has on this site. It's a f***ing joke, really.

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you want honest dialogue?

you really want 1?
let see if you are interested in having 1!

lets have it.

i say Hitler is left wing, because he said he is left wing. whichc can be disgarded because nowadays mens say they are women and we have trans-racial people etc.
so i give you this point i concede on this!

his party was called socialist hogwash drivel party(to lazy to search for full official name) but i concede this as north korea is called a democratic republic.

Hitler wrote a book about socialist drivel called mein kampf, which was torture for me to read through. but as the godfather once said keep your friends close but your enemys closer. meaning in my interpetation you should really know and understand your enemy, keep an eye on them. anyways you know what i will concede this point. as i can write a book about witchcraft and not be a witch.


which leaves us with policies. i say about 90%+ percent of his policies are socialist/communist/left wing policies. now here we can have the debate. if i prove to you he had way way more left wing policies it make shim left wing right?
or let's say he passes 999 left wing policies laws and regulatoins and only 1 right wing policie doe sthat make him left wing, center or right wing?

are only true left wing people, people who advocate, pass left wing policies 100% of the time. if so then nobody is a socialist and everybody is left iwng.

lets set a goal post how many policies percentage wise that are left wing should 1 pass to become a socialist. i say 50% left iwng policies 50% right wing makes you a centrist. and we move from there if you list 5 right wing policies of Hitler i will either debate them with counter arguments and prove they ar enot right wing or concede certain policies. at the end of the day if you are openminded just as i once was you will see hitler is as left wing as you get to the left of clintons. rigth where benie stands

 

[LogGrad98]

I am unclear why it matters where Hitler falls on the political spectrum, especially since the spectrum isn't black and white and isn't the same now as it was nearly 100 years ago. He had socialist policies, and white supremacist policies. He believed in white racial purity, while he also provided a form of universal healthcare and strong social programs to get them out of a depression.

With 17 million Germans receiving assistance under the auspices of National Socialist People’s Welfare (NSV) by 1939, the agency “projected a powerful image of caring and support.”[4] The National Socialists provided a plethora of social welfare programs under the Nazi concept of Volksgemeinschaft which promoted the collectivity of a “people’s community” where citizens would sacrifice themselves for the greater good. The NSV operated “8,000 day-nurseries” by 1939, and funded holiday homes for mothers, distributed additional food for large families, and was involved with a “wide variety of other facilities.”[5]

The Nazi social welfare provisions included old age insurance, rent supplements, unemployment and disability benefits, old-age homes, interest-free loans for married couples, along with healthcare insurance, which was not decreed mandatory until 1941.[6] One of the NSV branches, the Office of Institutional and Special Welfare, was responsible “for travellers’ aid at railway stations; relief for ex-convicts; ‘support’ for re-migrants from abroad; assistance for the physically disabled, hard-of-hearing, deaf, mute, and blind; relief for the elderly, homeless and alcoholics; and the fight against illicit drugs and epidemics.”[7] The Office of Youth Relief, which had 30,000 branch offices by 1941, took the job of supervising “social workers, corrective training, mediation assistance,” and dealing with judicial authorities to prevent juvenile delinquency.[8]

One of the NSV's premier activities was Winter Relief of the German People, which coordinated an annual drive to collect charity for the poor under the slogan: “None shall starve or freeze.” These social welfare programs represented a Hitlerian endeavor to lift the community above the individual while promoting the wellbeing of all bona fide citizens. As Hitler told a reporter in 1934, he was determined to give Germans “the highest possible standard of living.”[9]

But in this he also restricted it based on race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare

His was a strange mash-up of social programs and the worst racism ever known to mankind. I do not equate racism itself with modern right-wing politics. I think it falls out of the normal political spectrum. Just because modern racists identify with the right-wing does not mean all right-leaning people are racist.


This is a very weird topic of conversation. And really irrelevant.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Yeah, I'm not sure why you huys that are bugged by Dutch so much don't put him on ignore. I live that feature. I also don't get why people I put on ignore constantly follow my posts. Like, you hate my posts so much you can't help but read them and dislike them.

maybe they do not know they are on ignore.

hell i might be on your ignore llist and talking to meself right now. let me jsut like your post