Ben Shapiro

[Stoked]

I get a real kick out of the idea that even though blacks in America were cut out of the economic system from the 1600's through the 1950's but we're all good now and the only racism we have to worry about is individuals. Jim Crow isn't even outside living memory and we're supposed to believe everything is fine and dandy. Come on.

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Fine and dandy, no. Still plenty of areas to focus on though. However, it is not this rigged system designed to hold them down either.
But it has gotten to the point that a lot of people tune out cries of "racist" because it is cried over everything. Boy who cried wolf scenario I believe. Which is unfortunate for a lot of reasons.

But yes, problems exist. For example the punishments over marijuana when viewed through prisms of ethnicity and wealth.

 

[Zombie]

Fine and dandy, no. Still plenty of areas to focus on though. However, it is not this rigged system designed to hold them down either.
But it has gotten to the point that a lot of people tune out cries of "racist" because it is cried over everything. Boy who cried wolf scenario I believe. Which is unfortunate for a lot of reasons.

But yes, problems exist. For example the punishments over marijuana when viewed through prisms of ethnicity and wealth.

I agree in the sense that for the most part the system isn't purposefully rigged, but there is still systemic racial injustice. Here's an example, Nixon started the war on drugs in part to go after black activists. An advisor of his admitted as much.

The war on drugs is still alive and well in 2017, and the effects are still disproportionately hurting minority communities. Does this mean that I think the people running the show today are racist? No, but they are still perpetuating a racist system.

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[Ron Mexico]

Name one institution that's inherently racist and the evidence to support that claim in 2017. You'll be able to find individual cases of rascism and corruption like the Baltimore PD, but the idea that the government and other institutions are run in a racist way from the top, is a false narrative. Yes, the US has a history of institutional rascism, but as we've evolved as a country, it's not like that any more.

I've posted them many times on here. I could post them again but it seems pointless. The data is overwhelming and all leads to racism being pervasive in our society. Most people are racist. Not in the, I hate such and such group. But they make mostly subconscious stereotypes about people because of their race and it hurts groups.


Racism is very easy to see everywhere unless you choose to ignore it. Which is much easier to do if you are white.

 

[DutchJazzer]

No it is not. The assholes you are talking about are not exclusive to either side of the right/left dynamic.

Stop posting obvious crap.

Also if you want to avoid further infractions and as a result bans, tone down your rhetoric, stop flooding threads with the same senseless drivel and actually hold decent conversations.

You're not some beacon of truth, you're a blowhard troll.

that was sarcasm, both side have racist/, rapist murders corrupt individuals stupid people etc. it was just sarcastic. sorry it did not come trough

 

[DutchJazzer]

I get a real kick out of the idea that even though blacks in America were cut out of the economic system from the 1600's through the 1950's but we're all good now and the only racism we have to worry about is individuals. Jim Crow isn't even outside living memory and we're supposed to believe everything is fine and dandy. Come on.

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and which party did most damage to african americas from the 1600 to 1950's?

 

[Red]

Dalamon's anti-American, liberal biased rantings got old a long time ago.

The politicized version of reactionary being applied strictly to conservatives afraid of change is clearly stupid logic (although there is merit there if you accept the definition). Both sides are reactionary and if anything the alt-left has been more reactionary in recent years.

The term Alt Right is fairly new, and I believed it was actually coined by white nationalist Richard Spencer. Somebody can correct me if that attribution is incorrect. At the moment, Alt Right seems to be an umbrella term for white nationalists, white supremacists, and Neo Nazis. I don't see that as at all synonymous with all conservatives or anybody who is politically or socially right of center, but rather those who are extreme right. I think if the term Alt Left comes into vogue, and I'm not sure it is at the level of general usage as Alt Right is, it perhaps should be applied to Antifa and Anarchists, which would be on the extreme left, and not synonymous with people whose political and social views are left of center, or liberals. Not saying you are using Alt Left to denote liberals, not saying that at all. It's just that I have not seen descriptions of Alt Left the way I have Alt Right, and I'm just suggesting how they might be defined. If Alt Left is in general usage now, and is described differently, I'm open to be educated.

 

[Red]

Somebody asked which party did the most damage to African Americans from 1600-1950's. I guess somebody does not know the history of the United States very well, and I guess I'm not too surprised. There was no Democratic Party in 1600. There was no Republican Party in 1600. There was no United States in 1600. Our colonial era had slavery, obviously. I live a stone's throw from what was a center of the infamous triangular trade, and the largest slave trading port in the Americas. Newport, RI. And our early national history, once we gained independence from Great Britain, included several political parties that no longer exist.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I have some of the same fears. I see it in my daughter and her friends (she is 16). They have arguments that blow my mind due to the amount of pure misinformation they all spew as "fact" and on serious topics like racism, science, gender identity, etc. etc. I have always encouraged my kids to seek the truth from solid sources, but the solid sources are harder to find in a sea of look-alikes that slant and skew the "facts" to fit an agenda. Even in the realm of science the pressure to get the next grant and get published and the control that publications wield is a mine-field waiting to blow up, and it becomes more and more difficult to ascertain what is real, what is fact, and what is safe and what is dangerous. I am not a dooms-day prophet believer by any stretch, but where this is headed is much closer to chaos discord and witch-huntery than it is unity and agreement and mutual benefit. It is more than a little frightening.

When the internet was created I thought it was going to lead to better communication and more accurate information. It seems to be leading in the opposite direction. Like so many other things, the unintended consequences seem to ultimately have a bigger impact than the intentions.

 

[Ron Mexico]

When the internet was created I thought it was going to lead to better communication and more accurate information. It seems to be leading in the opposite direction. Like so many other things, the unintended consequences seem to ultimately have a bigger impact than the intentions.

The internet has definitely led to people having more correct information and more facts.

 

[LogGrad98]

The internet has definitely led to people having more correct information and more facts.

The big question is which people and which facts? I would argue that the average Joe Schmoe has worse information and fewer actual facts than before. People who seek can definitely find more and better info, but my bet is that is the minority.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The big question is which people and which facts? I would argue that the average Joe Schmoe has worse information and fewer actual facts than before. People who seek can definitely find more and better info, but my bet is that is the minority.

I disagree. The average person looks up so much on the internet and most people find good information. False facts do float around but they get disproved much quicker now than ever. People are more skeptical of things told to them than ever since they can research it right away. Its really easy to figure out if something is false now days. Before it took quite an effort to research something. Now I can just google a fact told to me while someone is telling me. False info dies quick. Where before it could be devastating the harm lies and false information could do to a community.

Our access to good quality news is significantly better and more people are getting it.

The information available is miles ahead of what it was before the internet. I dont think its really close.

Plus IQs have risen. Although I think that is more due to people getting more education. Although there is a direct correlation between internet use and education levels.
https://ourworldindata.org/internet/

Health care and general health knowledge has significantly gone up.

The information increase in less developed counties or countries with a government that controls the media is even more overwhelming how much the internet helps.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The internet has definitely led to people having more correct information and more facts.

It's sort of like a fact buffet. Everyone takes what they like and ignores the rest. Thriller has a completely different taste in facts than Archie, but both of them can find everything they need to sate their appetite because if there is some sort of fact they crave that doesn't exist, there is always a chef willing to mix up a special order.