I'm not saying you have to agree with my opinion, but I think it's extremely presumptuous and even more condescending to have the attitude that you do about this (which is essentially that everyone's opinion is naturally invalidated unless they like an era that isn't what they grew up with). Furthermore, you addressed an entire one of the things I mentioned and didn't knock it out of the park either (this is a question of what is the best, not an equivalency based on relativism).
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];658399 said:^ how many bees fly into your bonnet when i say ...
(a) there are no "truly objective" criteria
(b) this doesnt give us license to be sloppy relativists because, despite (a), things have DIFFERENT not EQUAL value
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];658402 said:You telling NUMBERICA that is position is (a) PERSPECTIVAL and then draining the discussion with (b) relativism was silly because....
1. All statements of fact or opinion are perspectival. So, you accomplish nothing here.
2. Relativism does too much to de-potentialize the value of/in someone's perspective, adding nothing but a moralizing pat on the head.
What if my intent is to remind people that 1. applies at least to this situation? Then not only did I accomplish that, but you have also helped me do so.
I disagree that relativism, when applied to that which is largely relative, depletes the value derived from someone's perspective. A truly rich life requires the ability to incorporate multiple perspectives and evaluate their values. If I prefer vanilla to chocolate, strawberry, or rocky road, my choice becomes no less enjoyable by the recognition it is subjective.
Right. Sweeping, generalizing, umbrella phrases are always true. All of us are simply predisposed to phenomenon, no matter what.
I'm Albanian, so by this logic I'm doomed to be uneducated, tax-avoiding, prostitute-pimping, hairy-assed, and big nosed.
I suppose a couple of those are true.
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];658399 said:^ how many bees fly into your bonnet when i say ...
(a) there are no "truly objective" criteria
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];658399 said:(b) this doesnt give us license to be sloppy relativists because, despite (a), things have DIFFERENT not EQUAL value
I think opinions can be based on highly subjective criteria (in this case, which era they grew up in and similar concerns) and still be valid. One case is when there there are no truly objective criteria, such as the era in which the NBA was best. If having the subjectivity pointed out really bothers you, you should really ask yourself why.
I'd rather ask you why you think you need to come into a thread and **** on everyone, change the stated criteria, and insist on blasting *** on your tummy about how smart you think you are.